Skeptic Project

Okay, maybe I'm naive here. I'd been under the assumption, evidently erroneous, that it was Merola, not Fresco, who was the chief conspiracy nut in the Venus Project/ZM. But from one of those Anonymous videos I just saw a clip where he confirms specifically and explicitly that he believes in the Illuminati.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9rHY8G1Uo (begins at 3:15)

So let me get this straight. ZM have been shrieking at us that the Venus Project has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, even telling us that Fresco has specifically said he doesn't believe in 9/11 conspiracy...but he DOES believe in the Illuminati??!

I'm surprised I did not know this. Here I was thinking Fresco was largely ambivalent on the conspiracy issues. Now it turns out he believes in the biggest conspiracy theory of them all, and we've got him on tape promoting conspiracy theories.

Both Peter Merola and Jacque Fresco are hard-core conspiracy theorists. BOTH of them.

How can they possibly say this is not a conspiracy movement? ALL of the senior leadership of the Zeitgeist Movement AND the Venus Project consists of hard-core conspiracy theorists. ALL of it.

I'm really surprised more has not been made of this. Were any of you regulars aware of Fresco's belief in the Illuminati?

Video isn't loading for me for some reason, so I don't know the context of it... maybe he means the historical Illuminati?

I remember that interview it was him and Roxanne on The Edge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9rLpHt3bL4 /> thats part 1.I cant sift through it I have one of those USB key mobile internet connections and youtube videos really eat through my alllocated MBs

Nah that's silly. Governments don't fly planes into buildings. Illuminati do.

But if the Government is the Illuminati, then who's over th- UH OH

This is astonishing.

I had always thought Fresco was not a CT. In fact we've had Zeitgeisters come here and insist to us that because he was not a CT, that somehow proves that the Venus Project has nothing to do with conspiracies. Now we have direct proof that Fresco is very bit as much of a CT as Merola is.

I've been operating on the assumption that Merola's discovery of the Venus Project after he made Zeitgeist 1 was largely accidental. (I believe it was Brenton who initially told us that). It was therefore a total accident that Merola's CT ideology got married up with the Venus Project. But if Fresco is himself a CT, that may tend to explain why the two of them fell in together, because of a similar worldview, and why TVP is aggressively marketed to conspiracy theorists.

Those of us who oppose the ZM on the grounds that it is a conspiracy movement spreading conspiracy theories, we need to make sure Fresco's belief in conspiracy theories are more widely known, as it totally belies their "TVP has nothing to do with conspiracies" nonsense.

It does not appear to be out of context, I agree.

I'm still stunned. Of the various conspiracy tropes out there, Illuminati is one of the hardest to believe in. I'd find it much more likely that someone would believe in a 9/11 conspiracy before they'd accept Illuminati.

VTV even showed this exact interview to me to prove Fresco was not a CT as he says he doesn't think 911 was an inside job, my mistake is I didn't listen to the whole interview ;)

Ah, but in Fresco's world this is not a conspiracy theory. Its fact. So in Zeitgeister logic Fresco is not a conspiracy theorist.

I would really like to know how Fresco defines the Illuminati, there is a chance it could be quite different to how Merola does.

The thing about Merola is that he never denied the NWO or Illuminati before and now he acts like he was saying they didnt all along.

"I would really like to know how Fresco defines the Illuminati, there is a chance it could be quite different to how Merola does."

A shadowy cabal that controls the planet's resources and creates scarcity.

But Fresco is senile IMO so I want to have someone explain to him what people like Alex Jones think the Illuminati is and see if that is indeed what he agrees with. Just to be thourough and just so Zeitgeisters can't use that as an excuse

"But Fresco is senile IMO so I want to have someone explain to him what people like Alex Jones think Illuminati is and see if that is indeed what he agrees with. Just to be thourough and just so Zeitgeisters can't use that as an excuse " - Good point indeed

Matt, the exact quote is damning for sure. But there are many levels within that and I for one want to know exactly what he really thinks. Does his definition of the Illuminati really match lunatics like Alex Jones, maybe it's worse and it's like David Icke (unlikely). Maybe it's something more different than that, i hope someone asks because I really would like to know what his defence is.

I agree with Matt. I don't think there's much room for doubt here. It's rare that a YouTube video shows something with context, but it appears to be here in this case. He believes in the Illuminati, and he is undoubtedly a conspiracy theorist.