Skeptic Project

1) Convince christians to join a "religious" zeitgeist movement
Yes when so far you and your movements hierarchy openly dissuade anything remotely spiritual and the first movie which so full of lies and slander at religion people are going to jump onboard.Since most christians support charity directly or indirectly you gonna have hard time getting them onboard when you an armageddon cult

2) Convince corporations to give stuff away for free because 15mio people "know" TVP
Might happen if you find CEO's that would be enticed by an RBE but again calling them corrupt and not providing evidence etc wont work.Besides at the rate they are going and dubiousness of just how many active members there are its going to be at a century before 15 million people

3)Parents dont know how to raise their children so let us indoctrinate them for you?
More pseudointellectual funky grandpa nonsense.Seriously at this point I dont know who's exploiting who in the TVP clusterfrack

As long as what is donated is put to good use and not wasted..

This is actually a genius move.

All of a sudden both religion and money have become okay.

After 90 years of grifting you learn a thing or two I suppose.

You are witnessing the transformation of TVP into an ideology. Faith becomes acceptable. Money becomes acceptable. Making money from faith becomes acceptable.

Cha-ching.

Perhaps now they will stop throwing the word science around.

I bet in a few more years they'll go from "let's make all soldiers problem solvers" to trying to hire international mercenaries for their fight against the monetary system.

funnny if you think about it Fresco has almost taken TZM from under PJ's feet. Think about it if it takes off in any capacity is their really any use for PJ?

I wonder if this would mean I'd be welcomed back into the fold now that my aim of building something is now acceptable to Fresco's plan of action..

Having watched the video, its nice to see a far more sensible plan for a change.

(I've already been accepting donations of equipment/etc. from corporations for years, a little here, a little there, but don't expect them to be that generious.. at best they might help a little in the very early stages, I wouldn't rely on them solely for everything, or you will have a very long wait!)

(Though, having banned just about every practical minded person from TZM forums has left it rather a wasteland as far as such suitable people goes.. which is why I prefered whoever ran the previous TVP forums, they did a far better job than PJ does now.)

I notice a little talk on the main TZM forums talks about the need to create & run businesses to pay for such things as property taxes in these new communities, I wonder if this line of thinking will now magically be acceptable..

I'm not sure if the rest of the membership can manage a 180 degree turn, having spent the last 2 years jumping on anyone who suggests making money is a good thing..

Having dealt in the business world, granted I'm not expert per sey I can tell you that if you give a business minded person the proposal of the venus project they will laugh in your face, stating why are you telling me if it's such a hot stock tip why don't you do it yourself, it's only a hot stock tip because you deem it so (ripped that quote from Stefan Molyneux)...

This is kind of a weird concept but I think the best way to go about it is if a business what's to give the Venus project money then so be it not then so be it. I think the best the venus thing the venus project can do is asked to be endorsed by a business endorsed means not necessarily a money game. I suppose if I were to go about it I'd get the backing of business without any monetary gain but of course if their giving it so be it. This way if the venus project actually starts working on projects and political figures start giving them trouble they simply start shacking their endorsement tree for help from companies backing them and then politicians will listen.

the lesson here today is money isn't what you need from big business as much as their backing and leverage. I'm sure within time any business will take a liking to the concept along with the individuals in thy business as well. To simply ask for money from a big business to help support a city is silly... Ask for backing as that's more important and odd are I'm doubtful highly doubtful the venus project will be a success in the first rung and they'll more than likely have to go back to the drawing board of course I doubt the venus project will ever be started as well as it's a complete and utter con job and Fresco/peter Merola have no clue what their doing...

To be honest I wouldn't give the venus project a fucking dime when they have such people like VTV associated with the venus project such a person whose a high school drop out as well as Fresco is a high school drop out (starting to see a trend here)... They would really have the prove themselves like anybody else before they get any money... Again I highly doubt they will prove themselves, and places like open ecology and to some extent RBOSE are proving themselves over and over again is where time and money should be spent.

Did anyone notice in the video did Fresco specifically say at all that Politicians are bad guys or anything negative towards politicians? I do not think he did or maybe I'm wrong....

My partner just sent them a mail asking for details. Let's see if they have any.

"It too annoys me how teenagers spend a lot of time at the mall, where all they can do is buy more clothes, get bored with the book store, play the arcades, or sit at fast food restaurants."

Why is this a bad thing? I can think of many, many worse things a teenager could be doing than hanging out at the mall or arcades. Why is buying clothes a bad thing if they're doing so with money earned from a job?

There are more options available for teenagers. The ones who engage in these activities do so by choice.

You can't force people into intellectual pursuits by removing entertainment. That only builds resentment, and teenagers have quite enough of that.

Do they exploit or do they provide a product and service that people want?

"Btw, TVP told us to get lost."

Elaborate?

I don't want to sit through 3 ten-minute videos of that old fart droning on.

Summarize for me, please? All of a sudden money and Jesus are OK?

well they think they will take advantage of the fact that supposedly many rich people are bored with their lives and want greater meaning and if the venus project could scam excuse me play with their emotions a bit they are willing to dump millions if not billions into the venus project for no apparent reason... The only reason i say this is people have hoped onto their TS3 server have heard of this argument being raised over and over again about people rich. This is laughable and I hope their not just banking on that...

Any corporation they contact I will make sure I contact them as well and give them the scope on the venus project so at least if anything they have both sides of the story and not just the cult story... I'd say at most if one supports the venus project give them a endorsement without money until they prove themselves but of course if you want to donate great but a endorsement without money is good enough. I think that's the best they can do right now and that's actually better than money in their case.

The first place I would hit up is BP since their in a bit of a problem, instead of attacking BP like TZM/TVP is currently doing ask for endorsements/donations I'm sure they'd give something for it. To be honest though those anti-BP videos TZM/TVP have produced will hurt them and it's highly plausible they dug their own grave by making them seeing as those videos have been getting a lot of hits I highly doubt BP would give them a dime and may not even support them but then again it's worth a shot... of coruse if you do allie with BP endorsement wise you'll also lose a lot of people and look like even bigger hypocrites (if that's even possible). This is a lose/lose situation.

Well, they might actually find investors...I know a few millionaires who believe in CT and might also fall for this "research city then world revolution"-strategy.

But I really don't care anymore, they're not better than a church. If there's any science behind this project, it's hidden pretty well.