Skeptic Project

The first step is to provide psychological evidence that access to resources terminates abhorrent behavior. If you can prove that it diminishes it to a very small amount, then you need to decide what to do with these people. Would you enact a legal system?

My suggestions for your bylaws:

1. No conspiracy theories allowed.
2. Peter Merola is not eligible for membership.

RBE won't work and is a fantasy pipedream that grotesquely misunderstands human nature and distorts history, economics and psychology to prop up an artificial ideology. However, it would be nice if this was proven in practice so the idea can be put to rest once and for all.

This could be a partial explanation for why the VP doesn't do anything real. Once they try and it fails, the idea's dead. As long as it's untested they can keep pretending it has some validity.

I think any association whatsoever with the word "Zeitgeist" is absolute poison, because that word means, first and foremost, conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.

I suggest "Penus Project". I also offer free logo designs.

@Cyb0rg haha I have thought of that

@duncanlecombre "part 1" I have no clue "part 2" agreed "part 3" agreed.
We should make a Zeitgeist motion picture so as to get people to see the other side of the story and not the conspiracy theories.

I do not want to create an anti-zeitgeist movement mainly because that doesn't get anybody anywhere as that's just my opinion. If individuals want to discuss legitimate topics in my Zeitgeist movement then let it and by legitimate I'm in support of peer reviewing. I think I'd like to call it the Zeitgeist movement for a lot of reasons one being will they try to deny that my movement is the zeigeist movement, at which who says it's not the zeitgeist movement? Peter Merola, Dark Dancer? if so then the zeitgeist movement has leaders and they are in fact lying that they have no leaders then. As much as that I support the scientific method and I simply would like to open the door to those who are interested in the scientific method and not conspiracy theory as I'm doing a few projects of my own i'd like to see TZM/TVP people get such a fair environment that will support and help such things. I would like them to allow whoever it may be that type of option then to take that away from them and say to read/buy books, hand out dvd's and pamphlets.

On another note the Zeitgeist cult movie III will be downloadable on the internet, and apparently it will have people with credentials talking about stuff that's in their field I imagine it's an attempt to attract more engineers and things of that nature to TZM/TVP. The movie will be just as lengthy as the other two being nearly 3 hours long (from what I hear from Peter Merola). I know a lot of scientist, engineers, and doctors, and the majority of them wouldn't even touch TZM/TV. For the ones that do they will instantly find out such as myself what it's really about and may join up with me as well. I will make sure to figure out some way to deal with conspiracy theories even to the extent of dedicating a whole topic for conspiracy theories to post in.

Er...Billl why dont you just join RBEF or has that been deemed as ineffectual as TZM/TVP here?

Is there any point to RBOSE or RBEF beyond having a place to talk shit about TZM?

They seem just as engulfed by woo as TZM.

As far as I can see there is no possible way a RBE can work in reality, its the same with Communism in reality it doesn't work and turns into a dictatorship. No RBE advocate has explained how the system would really work. They seem to think the idea of a transition plan is unnecessary at this point, but if they really tried to think one up properly they would realise how absurd and impossible it is.

Bill, my advice is to find a real project that will clearly benefit humanity in some way and COMPLETE it. Maybe then you can also get funding to keep doing that kind of stuff. Then at least people will take you seriously because you are doing that. Otherwise, its a similar road as the Venus Project where they never really do anything.

> I really do not believe in a RBE, on that I think what we have right now WITH money
> is better than if one were to do a RBE based on what i have seen from TZM.

If I had to say I believe in anything, it would be RBE with money..

I just believe in the scientific process to test things and go with what works best, as such I can only really see a few steps ahead of where we are now, any further and its a bit beyond what might or might not work.

As such, I can see things like profit sharing companies, lower working hours, even a volunteer workforce, but I still see things as rationing, different pay levels for toilet cleaners, and the need for a cop on ever street corner.

> my advice is to find a real project that will clearly benefit humanity in some
> way and COMPLETE it

Agreed.

Says he rushing back to finish his solar vehicle..

@alton I agree, and have considered it as someone within RBOSE is currently working on repwrap designs and has even release some for open source on RBOSE to my knowledge. I like the fact that RBOSE can encompass a bit of everything under one thing without having to google the net to see scattered groups out and about.

I wouldn't of known about repwrap if it wasn't for RBOSE and the details behind it if I hadn't of talk it out with some of the people involved in repwrap. I wouldn't of known much about python if it wasn't for rbose, now I know a lot more in that programming language as well as I know a heck of a lot about open chronology now as well as I have active communication with a open ecology member which i wouldn't of had within TZM, if it wasn't for RBOSE. Now I'm not saying RBOSE is great once so ever, their needs to be a lot of things to be worked out, mainly in my eyes how people can locally collaborate together I think is important but I can say I wouldn't of known or contributed to these projects without the help of RBOSE. I also have received advice on people who have experience in such things as solar panel setup, linux trouble shooting, building materials, etc... I think it's a good thing some things again RBOSE needs to focus on that I think is important is education, scientific method (which is being worked on and focused on all the time in RBOSE) and peer reviewing.

I suppose the best way to collaborate someone locally as of right now is to just start recruiting locally =P but then their is the whole other can of worms of how to present a project to the world online etc... I suppose all that should go hand in hand but it'll be figured out...

Alright got my zeitgeist forum up http://tzm.hopto.org/ . took a bit mainly because I was ripping off anonymous forums, TZM forums and a few other places. Have to thank anonymous for helping me out though as well as CS.

added a topic on the board called "Conspiracy Challenge" description: "whom ever wants to challenge a conspiracy theory, please do so here whatever it may be. If you are able to prove through the scientific method that it isn't a conspiracy theory, then the topic will be moved to general chat section of this forum."

I thought that is a cool thing to have as well as I have a entire category dedicated towards conspiracy theories.

@Alton I would agree I have read about this, also I'd say it's close to a anonymous structure inadvertently or a open source development project structure among other various flat structure projects. I'm not surprised at all to see other similar approaches. I knew working with a lot of projects in the past one thing none of the other projects supported was the support of a split, which simply happens naturally in nature and simply happens in a project for various reasons.

Another thing I'm interested in collaboration on projects locally and not just for a month bases more or less but more on a yearly bases. Education is another vital aspect that needs to be implemented and tweaked within RBOSE. With that the scientific method and peer review still need to be implemented better then what we're doing right now and at that it'll take some time to figure out a better system. A thing that comes anywhere close to this idea is craigslist but that still isn't anything great but it does function.

So their is a lot to do, and I think that's how it's always going to be so it's a good thing. I haven't checked out the documentaries on RBOSE wiki but I wouldn't be surprised if someone posted up some conspiracy theorist stuff up there since it was probably someone that came from TZM over to RBOSE, I suppose some can't shake the CT and I certainly am not going to be the one to do it =P

Another site I have found almost by accident is hacking at random (https://wiki.har2009.org/, a friend attended event sent me live videos tream of event as it's a bit far away for me to attend) which is in fact a event, but many of the individuals apart of this event are apart of their own groups or factions. A lot of these groups are much like openkollab type of system. So I'm definitely wanting to start something a little bit more collaborative in the future and with schooling and things of that nature it'll be interesting to see how I can contribute in such a manner and still maintain my other priorities.

haha yeah I am thinking about going to Z-Day as well. Sounds fun acting like a zombie