Skeptic Project

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=273721

"I was wondering about a number of these things too. Does Fresco actually have the working blue prints of EVERYTHING needed to make these cities functional?" - Confused Zeitgeister

I'm concerned about where everyone is supposed to poop. Is that what all the ponds are for?

I don't want to live in a future where I have to poop in a pond.

I wonder when he dies if they will substitute the holographic earth globe for a huge holographic speaking head of fresco.

I like the 50's style bubble car. I bet it will be super comfortable in that thing in the summer when the curved windows cause the inside to heat up.

The Jetsons sucked when I was a kid and they suck now too.

Also posted on the UK Z forums, my comments there might provide some amusement to folk here:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2073

And all I was doing was trying to help..

In case you are wondering why my solar vehicle is stuck with 3 wheels and not 4, in the UK if a cycle has 4 wheels, it gets classified as a car automatically, whilst 3 means you can get away with still calling it legally a cycle.

In my last job I drove 3 wheeled electric vehicles for a couple of years and it took some practice to corner at 40mph whilst hanging out of the cab to corner without tipping over..

My hope is that by having my wheels in an Equilateral Triangle layout it may help reduce this tendancy, with the wheels some 4 and a half feet apart (They would be further apart but there is a tree in the way..) and going for the tadpole layout too.

Testing will be fun :-)

And with a full harness seatbelt and rollcage..

I wonder if a trailer will help stability or not...

> windows cause the inside to heat up.

This is a common problem I've seen in not just vehicles (buses being the worst here, I suggested in an email to the local mayor that electric extractor fans might help, and having seen the odd bus or two fitted with, home its a trial..) but in many modern buildings in particular. (And why I'm keen on earth sheltered buildings without tons of windows... if we want more light, use a lightbulb!)

What also took my interest on the UK site, is mention of how few people appear to be working on this project, not quite the hundreds the PJ speaks of, sounds more like a couple of folk...

I did wonder when previously they had a nice list of all such people who put their names forward to help on their website, and then 'mysteriously' removed it..

The conspiracy part of me wondered if it was so we didn't know just how few professional folk was actually helping, compared with how many PJ's PR department can magic up any time it wanted..

On the other hand, it could just be some cockup, which, if everyone thinks there is a large team, then whose going to want to volunteer to help when they think their help isn't needed..

Bit of shooting yourself in the foot there me thinks..

Still, nice to see them working on drawings/etc.

Hopefully this means eventually they might have full technical drawings for buildings before I do ;-)

Though, even if they do, I don't suppose that will mean any one of us can actually make use of them does it..

(Don't worry, I'll be making my building designs freely available for anyone to copy.)

Oh, to live in a magical future where there is no erosion and everything can be built on concrete pillars.

That's what society needs, transparent sewage tubes.

"Look mommy, I can see corn!"

What happens if it cracks?

What you mean you can't stick trees together randomly??

These kids are such dorks. They have no idea how to grow plants or plan cities.

So what happens when a city full of TZM posters with unique signatures and avatars wants to customize their cookie cutter living domes?

After a while living in Jacques society all their walls will be decorated with their own faeces anyway.

Sue? I thought these people worked for him as unpaid volunteers.

His schematics are probably fucking attrocious anyway, and if he released them chances are all the architects on the planet would just stash them in the joke bin.

Then actually design something functional and send him it free of charge.

I don't think it would be possible to sue them because he hired them as volunteers to do this and he is going to use these renderings for his site or maybe a video.

Is there an actual contract between The Venus Project and the people who did these renderings?

If Fresco was open with his schematics and did not try to trademark the RBE term, I probably wouldn't think about it. But those are not the actions of someone operating in good faith.