Skeptic Project

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=276710

It's pretty long, but I was actually quite curious how an engineer working with NASA would fall in the TVP trap.

He's talking about how inefficient industry for profit is and that the chapters shouldn't use "Peter Joseph Method" of telling people that money sucks and the world is crashing - so what should they do? Show around TVP designs. Facepalm #1.

How should we advertise TVP? Just turn a normal car into an electric car and paint it with TVP designs. Facepalm 2.

How should we build the city? Well, we don't have blueprints but anybody with a background should be able to design one. WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TVP FOR THEN? Facpalm #3

I'll keep the second half for later.

Perhaps he could use Nanos solar vehicle!!

> Perhaps he could use Nanos solar vehicle!!

He could have, but I got banned, so I'm taking my toys home to play with them myself..

They even had the money to afford to pay for it!

But instead they spent it on plastering this Taxi with an advert..

http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com/news/venus-project-taxi</p>

Yeah, that really brought in new blood... (Actually, having asked around, not a single TZM member I've come across actually came into TZM land because of said taxi..)

Still, it was an excellent use of £3k to £4k wasn't it..

Ah yes, reverse graffiti I hear mentioned.

(Are they just ripping off all the ideas I've posted on the forums over the years...)

Actually, I recently heard its now illegal to do that :-(

You know not so long ago a TZM member had a free car to give away, I suggested it might become a TZM free rental vehicle, with members volunteering to maintain it, it would be ideal to help those unemployed find work for example. (I wasn't thinking of me, I don't have a driving license! but I did spot one person on the TZM forum who couldn't get a job even though there was some, because they was too far away and he didn't have any means to travel there.)

But after I suggested that, the person edited their post and removed the offer of a free car and never spoke about it again..

Oh well, one can keep trying can't one..

Until you get really bored and do your own thing..

Solar is bullshit greenwash. Germany sunk a ton of money into solar and it hasn't done jack except making them feel good.

If people really cared about the environment they would be discussing nuclear power.

Will we own the panels?

No, we retain ownership, however, at the end of the FIT Scheme under the terms of the Agreement with the homeowner we will agree to leave the panels on the property in perpetuity (i.e. forever – for the life of the panels) so that the owner of the property can continue to benefit from them without having to pay anything. As this is guaranteed by our Agreement, this will immediately benefit the Homeowner as it can immediately enhance the value of their property as the installation of our System is classed as a home improvement and has a retail value of between £18-25,000.

http://www.ashadegreener.co.uk/faqs/</p>

Horseshit. These aren't "free." They come from tariffs and can be taken away at any time.

Free whilst the tariffs are in effect.

The UK government though is good at honouring its tariff systems, so one would expect the 25 years its said they will exist for, to exist.

Its free electric today, so its a good thing!

And if the company goes bust, maybe your inherit them later on :-)

Its at least proof that you can operate a business on a different approach than charging your customer for something..

Can anyone have your free solar panels?

Unfortunately, no. For optimum performance the panels should be fixed on south facing roofs. Panels will operate on roofs that aren’t south facing but we only fit for optimum performance because we are paid for the electricity that is generated. We cannot afford to fit on roofs where the optimum level of performance can’t be reached. Also, we won’t fit on roofs that are overshadowed by trees or other objects as that will also affect the performance of the panels. There also has to be sufficient uninterrupted space for our panels – around 24sq meters.

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So basically you only get these "free" panels if your roof faces south and there are no trees in your yard.

Saving the world with solar, you betcha.

This is garbage to make people feel better.

Its kind of stupid to put solar panels anywhere.

My opinion of solar is that its greenwash nonsense.

The environmentalist lunatic fringe have made nuclear power a taboo concept in America and it pisses me off.