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"Unlike you, I'm not American. Nor Canadian, British, Australian or any other Demonym where the native language is English."

Nah, you're Latvian.

Considering the unemployment rate in Latvia, no wonder TVP appeals to you.

No, you're a holocaust denier because you're stupid.

You're Latvian because you're unlucky.

>> What makes you different from a racist or a fanatic, then?

You can't possibly be serious. Science itself is not neutral, it demands evidence and assumes something is wrong until evidence it provided. Does that mean scientists are on the same level as racists and fanatics?

>> How would you know? I'm not German. I'm just curious.

It doesn't matter if you're German or not. Anyone can be a holocaust denier.

>> As if I care if someone close to me is jewish or not. Who knows, maybe I'm jewish myself? I'm not angry at either side of the event. So I am neutral

I never said you were an anti-Semite.

>> Well that explains it. Just that most use qwerty AFAIK.

Yes, and in fact it's actually the cause of most of the typos here. At work I use QWERTY (unless I'm on my laptop) and at home I use Dvorak, and it takes me a few minutes to get back into the swing of things, but sometimes I go for the wrong keys. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to installed the Dvorak keyboard layout at work.

>> Unlike you, I'm not American. Nor Canadian, British, Australian or any other Demonym where the native language is English. I used a spell-checker afterwards, seems I missed one highlight. You are a Grammar Nazi in this case.

Give me a break, I did the exact same thing you did, you just don't like being a victim of your own standards. I almost never talk about someone else's grammar or spelling, because I know mine is terrible, I only brought it up because you acted like it was such a big deal.

>> I don't need any, neither does Peter. You take only official information, Peter takes both. An expert is above. Two of which Peter interviewed. One of which you say lives in a world of lies while being harassed for years by non-historians and apologetics.

So, credentialism is selective, meaning that it matters if I have them, but it doesn't matter if soemone you agree with has credentials.

>> What...? Me? Am I some messenger, a diplomat? Pick your ass up and go freethoughtnation forums and respond to them. Or is this some type of war and you need some neutral zone?

Why should I go there? They work from the stance of a predetermined conclusion that she's always right and I'm always wrong. I don't go to other peoples forums like you guys come here. Why should I waste my time and energy arguing with someone who already thinks I'm wrong and would never, ever be convinced otherwise? It's the same reason I don't go arguing at Prison Planet, Rense, Raelist forums, Christian forums, etc. Just because I disagree and think they're incorrect, doesn't mean I need to go push them around -- though they feel the need to do that to skeptics.

>> Confirms his notion. Does that make her a copycat?

Sometimes, though I've seen a few original ideas here and there.

>> Zeitgeist: The Movie didn't even say anything like this. You better have a source for this of where she says so.

I linked the source, did you not see it? We weren't talking about Zeitgeist, we were talking about her specifically.

Links to UFO and Atlantis sites:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBsQIDAB&url=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search%3Fq%3Dcache:zGvA_eQzZJgJ:www.truthbeknown.com/siteindex.htm%2Batlantis%2Bsite:truthbeknown.com%26cd%3D2%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus&ei=AMZNTIzgMITGlQfdz-D2DQ&usg=AFQjCNEG83GXndN9WFrEt1gtd4wXAW6kyQ&sig2=UJ4ZY4JZ_0lHDgOIoqkJSg

Another one:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/links.htm</p>

Where she mentions that all sun religions probably originate from an ancient advanced civilization, probably Atlantis (inked a second time):

http://www.truthbeknown.com/footnote2.htm</p>

>> One more thing Edward. Will you fix the issues on your page I addressed in OP about Acharya S? Alias, E-mails and publisher.

If she prefers to by called something else, then clarify that for me, I found your first paragraph regarding this slightly unclear.

Pendrokar's opinion on the holocaust has nothing to do with his questioning Edward.

Actually, it does. It has everything to do with it.

Pendrokar's point is to defend D.M. Murdock, whom he claims is a reputable historian that Edward shouldn't be trashing.

Someone who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened, or that it was significantly exaggerated, by definition is incapable of understanding history and historical sources correctly. The ONLY reason why anyone ever questions the Holocaust is because they are racist. That's it. Why? Because ALL the historical evidence indicates that the Holocaust happened, and that it happened the way the history books relate it. ALL the evidence.

Someone who ignores this evidence is not capable of understanding history. Therefore, Pendrokar's opinion regarding D.M. Murdock is completely undeserving of the slightest sort of respect, which means his attack on Edward is also undeserving of respect.

Holocaust denial deeply offends me both as a historian, because it does extreme violence to the study of history, and also as a human being, because it's racist toxic shit that should be stamped out.

I will not address a racist anti-Semite directly on this forum because I refuse to dignify their disgusting beliefs by even engaging in any sort of debate with them. This is why I'm responding to your (aaronhatch's) post instead of responding to anything he says.

"Pendrokar's opinion on the holocaust has nothing to do with his questioning Edward. "

I disagree. Being a holocaust denier or revisionist or whatever you want to call it, establishes credibility.Or in this case, lack of credibility. As Muertos pointed out, it shows how able someone is in establishing the differences between good sources and bad sources, and how able they are to analyze the evidence.

CT's and quacks and the assorted ilk, are always pushing for neutrality from the other side. Neutrality of our treatment in their gurus, neutrality in our treatment of sources. But like others have pointed out, that's not the case. Some xylophone playing college drop-out does not have the same credibility as far more established scholars.

Then people like to point out that Edward only went to Community College and then a non-prestigious University. First off, that's far more than most CT's will ever make it. Secondly, he's not publishing his own information and claiming to be an expert in things he isn't. And lastly, he's not making claims... just showing which are false. So in reality, it doesn't matter how accredited or how un-accredited he is.

Their stance on credential-ism is also a joke... basically, it doesn't matter if someone is accredited or not, as long as they agree with my narrative.

"BUT WHAT IF THE XYLOPHONE IS REALLY REALLY BIG "

Hmm, I've never looked at it that way. Hey PJ, you just might be alright!

I agree with Kepp.

Resolution passed.

FYI Pendrokar I am a quarter Jew. The many Jewish people I talk to I have talked to a few who actually got to attend these mythological Holocaust concentration camps you talk about. Proof that they were there as they usually got a stamp on their right arm or on their neck branding them like cattle, like they were animals... I Think it's sad/sick that you would deny the holocaust even existed...

"Pendrokar: All your points made on Zeitgeist: The Movie part 1 have been heavily discussed at freethoughtnation.com forum thread, which you seem to know about, because the title "Captain Ferseus" originates from there, yet that thread has never been brought up to this forum[4]. Fear loosing credibility and thus members? Or just continue shouting "they are liars"? ("Even in the book of lies, you always find truth")"

I'm not seeing anything on that website you linked that has "Captain Ferseus" name in it... Link me directly to the profile.

here is some info on Pendrokar

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php/components/com_kunena/template/default_ex/images/index.php?option=com_community&view=profile&userid=41706&Itemid=1909

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Birthday
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Hometown
Salaspils, Latvia
About me
I've always been disgusted in how humanity managed things. I haven't had an incentive for monetary gain, only that it was needed to achieve any goal I wished. I thought it was because I'm lazy, but Zeitgeist movies showed me that it was not the case. Like how I was never a top student in every subject in my school, because I wasn't keen on them, but I had to learn them to go on. And finished exams with higher grades than the whole learning curve. Like how I wanted a job which required less cognitive thought so I would be less lazy to do other things over and over again. One of my first inspirations came from a man that heavily increased morality of people in his country and thus productivity. A man which is widely believe to be the most evil man who ever lived. Yes I am talking about Adolf Hitler. I believe most people were missing the biggest point Hitler made and that is what peoples morale can do even if it was achieved mostly by hatred. Such determination wasn't seen since Romans and Spartans. Of course anything about Aryans being the master race was false since we all have our strengths and weaknesses and also Hitler's biggest mistake was thinking that he could do all jobs... no one can... we always excel. My national pride rose from that point on. So I thought if every country was fascist without imperial desires it would be a very productive age because of completion for pride not money. But today our physical might matters less and less in jobs we do. And competition is not as productive as cooperation. So I thought whenever a absolute democracy would work. Where citizens support what they really want to support and have their vote strength based on knowledge on the matter. Problem is a lot of reading and new law definition length manipulation. One of the reasons we have representatives and why I still took hold on fascism. Then I started to look what Ayn Rand had in mind. Listened to Fountainhead audiobook. But I still couldn't find what exactly she tried to say other than how "profit motive" is in our world. She never wanted to make a Objectivist movement. I watched first Zeitgeist movie only early this year. But didn't know it is a part of a big movement really because it didn't come up with solutions.
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Oh hes a big fan of Adolf Hitler.

What a silly boy this person is.

Didn't Voice of Reason have to cover up his racism?

Pendrokar the Holocaust denier comes here to defend Voice of Reason the racist and befriends Nanos the fellow Holocaust denier.

These people are all retards.

This movement attracts the craziest people.

And I thought I was a bit weird.

@Muertos don't forget moon hoaxers as well *face palm*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a39wwLKXUnY&feature=related

Herf derf solar horn.

>> You misunderstood. I have no doubt you hate Peter Joseph and D.M. Murdock. Which is why it lowers your credibility.

Hate them? I don't even know these people. Just because you think someone is full of shit doesn't mean you hate them. They don't occupy enough of my life in order for me to even think about hating them, because outside of a few forums on the Internet they might as well not even exist, they're that unpopular and unnoteworthy, but then again, so am I. A guy on JREF once wrote "Once I turn of my computer the truth movement ceases to exist" that's especially true for freethoughtnation and TZM. If people didn't bring them up on this forum or in emails, I'd probably rarely -- if ever -- talk about them, I'd much rather talk about Alex Jones and company. There's only so much you can say over and over again, at least Alex Jones changes it up a bit every now and then.

I don't know about Acharya S -- as in what, if anything, she thinks of me, in fact I don't even think she even knows I exist -- but I'm pretty sure Peter probably really does hate me, because I openly question him, when he doesn't even like people questioning him on his own site.

>> No, not about what she prefers calling but that you still think D.M. Murdock is a different alias. That you sent E-mails to her last school asking about her alias(Unless you really used the other). And that her first two books were published not by the publisher that she has now.

So, what's the problem? She goes by both.

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On a side note: has Acharya S / DM Murdock ever admitted to being wrong about anything she's ever published? I have a feeling she hasn't and probably never will -- I don't have proof, it's just a feeling. I'd like to see evidence that she has admitted to being incorrect.

"There is one thing in common. They all want to change it for the good of some(in case of Nazis) or all. You can still sit in your Good versus Evil and Black versus White, world. "

TZM exhibits more of an "us vs. them" mentality than anyone on this whole site. Just keep waiting on robots to solve all the worlds problems.