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well I know Fresco didn't want anybody to know he had a child that is named Bambie Fresco. Also His child is terribly sick with some-type of heart defect. I'll release more info when I get all my source straight.

I require backstory.

He's like a human cockroach.

Bambi FRESCO
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1956
Death Date: 20 Feb 2010
Social Security Number: 266-25-2869
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Florida

Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 33960
Localities: Venus, Highlands, Florida

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/SSDI/individual_record.asp?recid=266252869&lds=3&region=-1&regionfriendly=&frompage=99

So he screwed his spouse and daughter along with all the other suckers?

Its quite possible on both previous posts of yours matt :D

In fact yes it is her I just validated it with my resources.

No she is called: PATRICIA MERLE FRESCO, Also goes under the surname Douglass

What happened to that Sneed fellow who knew Fresco back in the 70's? I thought maybe he would join the forum.

OK I have an update here that points out a lot of information about this matter, ES contacted me today and informed me about more information regarding this thread. So it is my responsibility to deal with it and inform you about the matter, of course ES wants no part in CS threads or to continue posting on my blog as such, but does stay in touch with me personally to inform me about any things that arise that are being misconstrued or factually incorrect.

So here goes:

From time to time when I do a Google search, I see Fresco's name pop up, and in this case it was regarding the Conspiracy Science site trying to piece together Frecso's past.

Every time I think I have communicated for the last time, something pops up on the Internet which bothers me because it is not accurate.

I believe the people at Conspiracy Science are on the right track to "individually research" the archives, rather than just use one person as a resource.

So, some of the clarifications in chronology are as follows, but are by no means more than "ball park" estimates in terms of exact dates.

1. It was suggested that Jacque left his wife to be with Roxanne. Not true. She entered the picture "quite late" in the game. Fresco had a daughter AND a son, from a previous marriage. After the divorce, the mother kept both children from visiting Fresco until they were older. His son didn't really get a chance to know his father until the late 70's for a few brief visits to the Fresco home. His son had no inclinations of being a philosopher like his father, and was interested in joining the police force. Without warning, again "approximately" in the late 70's, maybe early 80's, his son shot himself (apparently over a discontinued relationship with a girlfriend). I met him, and he was a nice sort of fellow. I was sad to see him gone at such an early age (late teens, early 20's). I never met Fresco's daughter, she remained with her mother in those days.

2. Roxanne has been referenced several times, on the Internet as "co-founder" of Sociocyberneering in Miami. This is untrue. After Fresco's divorce, he got a vasectomy, not wanting to bring any more children in the world, since he never planned on ever getting married again. He always felt that Polygamy was the way to go (without the marriage part). After the divorce, possibly many years, he met Birgit Lahaye.
(http://www.miamiislandliving.com/)

She worked many years with him as Treasurer of Sociobyberneering, and helping him with various film and art productions. She was from Germany, and a dedicated mate and hard worker. She was technically the co-founder of Sociocyberneering, with Jacque. One day, in the late 70's, Roxanne attended one of Jacque's lectures with her boyfriend (who was a long time member). One thing led to another, and after a few weeks, she was sleeping with Jacque. Jacque was happy to keep both girlfriends, but Birgit was more traditionally minded, and didn't believe in "threesomes". Nevertheless, Birgit continued to support Jacque, helped with the move from Miami to Venus, and even helped Jacque build some of the domes and models at Venus. But, understandably, Birgit could not continue to be a "second fiddle" to Roxanne indefinitely and so she moved on. Roxanne was more ideal for Jacque (less of an independent thinker than Birgit, less moral inhibitions, and completely mold-able). Sort of a "blank slate". But, early on, Roxanne became very "territorial" with Jacque, and alienated many of the members. People who knew him for years, "now" had to go through "her" (the new girl on the block) to make an appointment with him.

3. I have no further contact with any of them, but my understanding is that Birgit continues to make a life for herself, works with Real Estate, and in my opinion is the "most" knowledgeable person concerning Jacque's work (besides himself). Understandably, she did not make waves, to Jacque's change in partners, and she still wishes him well from afar.

4. It can be argued, but not proven at this time, that one of the reasons the organization moved out of Miami (and fell apart) was to make the separation easier for Jacque and Birgit. Unfortunately, many of the members (which was unknown to Jacque) objected to his fling with Roxanne, and more importantly they loved and missed Birgit's presence in the group, after so many years of her sacrifice and contributions. So, I guess you can say that it was a "coincidence" that many of the members, including Roxanne's previous boyfriend, stopped making payments on the Naples land, and started to drift even further when Jacque took a permanent "honeymoon" to Venus with Roxanne (no pun intended). I don't believe that Birgit was in a position to just "quit" her job, and become a farmer in Venus anyway.

5. I believe that Birgit will continue to admire Jacque, in spite of how she was treated. And, probably in her own mind, she is very understanding of his need for a mate who had less personal ambitions in life.

I hope this helps a little. Sorry I have nothing to contribute concerning his daughter. And I regret never getting the opportunity to meet her before her passing.

Hope this is enlightening to you all as it certainly is me.

He does state that we are correct in reseraching the external links to Jacque to find out about him though, like he says following one avenue only leads to a single opinion and data set about him.

I think this thread is rather useful actually, in that it shows how Jacque is a polygamist, and that he does not mind cheating on people who have partners. This is morally questionable and is showing him to not only be quite the monetary conman but also that he uses the life stance that all is fair in love and war.

If anything it is a little more background knowledge to go on about Jacques history, we learnt about his second child killing himself due to a love dispute, which may also explain some of Jacques stances on relationships, as well as the fact he was not allowed access to his two children during their childhood by his ex wife, this raises the questions WHY?

Interesting to note that they were divorced prior to him being a self confessed polygamist, so perhaps she was aware and he was practicing his love cheating before he was divorced and professed thats how he viewed life?

Hence them splitting up and her not allowing him access to the children?

Thing is though how many parents would use that as the only excuse , cheating on your spouse is morally questionable, but its not the end of the world or a valid enough reason to prevent your children from seeing their father, maybe there are other reasons she had.

Agreed

I think theres nothing particularly unusual about this background story in light of the rest of the worlds relationships and breakups, the only difference with this story is it relates to Jacque Fresco, the hero/guru of many a teenager across the globe.

These kind of stories are hidden in many a persons closet, I find it interesting and quite useful information personally. It changes my image of him just that little bit more.

Well I know a lot of people whose fathers have cheated on their mothers and either been kicked out or left the family unit for an estranged wife. Granted the whole polygamy thing is quite weird, but suicide is also another common thing in family backgrounds.

Im not saying its a normal story, I am saying its not that unusual by a lot of dysfunctional families standards. I've heard of plenty worse stories, but thats not to justify it as nothing, thats not what I am saying.

"Im not saying its a normal story, I am saying its not that unusual by a lot of dysfunctional families standards."

Big difference between a dysfunctional family and a family that's dysfunctional because the father wants to be a polyamourous cult leader.

That's like saying David Koresh or Jim Jones was just dysfunctional.

Okay, but you're ignoring everything else about the circumstances and focusing only on the polygamy to make your point.

I don't agree with it. It has nothing to do with being picky.