Skeptic Project

Some dude is super pissed and Peter Joseph Merola, I made sure to save the webpage just in case. He's pissed and Peter merola because of Peter's particularly very nasty response to him (link below, also i made sure to save webpages of topic).

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=276839&limit=10&limitstart=30#278921

How much you wanna bet he gets banned

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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=279060

Peter Joseph wrote:
I have to say to everyone that I am continually amazed at the perpetual judgment

manilaenglish2 wrote: It's called being accountable for what you say and do, Peter. Being judged comes with the territory of being a public figure. If you can't handle being judged then get out of the spot light.

Peter: arrogance

manilaenglish2: You're the most arrogant person here (a.k.a "locked"). What do you think gives you the authority, in a non-authority society? Because you made a popular video? Is it because you read Jacque Fresco's book a couple years ago and listened to his audio recordings that you think you're magically more intelligent than everyone on Earth, that you're the only one who has ever heard of this concept and thus only you understand a Resource Based Society? There are 6 billion people on this planet. Don't think just because you haven't heard an idea that it hasn't already been around. And just because you made a popular video promoting a RBE (which you admit you never even thought of until someone pointed it out to you) doesn't make you an expert and it certainly doesn't give you any authority.

There is no State. That includes you.

Peter wrote: and conceit that some of you put forward on this forum.

manilaenglish2 wrote: Here you are guilty of the same. Your response reeks of arrogance and conceit.

Peter: The fact that the term "promoted" is stated above makes it even more idiotic.

manilaenglish2 wrote: Isn't that one of the forum rules that you created? Or is it because you created the rule that you get to break it? Who gets to moderate the owner? Oh, that's right, nobody. Because you own the website. And there is no discussion or wiki on creating a community website and talk about how to moderate discussion collectively instead of using hand picked moderators.

And yes, what you are doing with the stickies is in affect promoting yourself. Why didn't you join in the discussion about making sticky creations a community effort?

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/inde...limitstart=20#275515

Peter: Let me walk you through this - whoever you are.

manilaenglish2 wrote: Until this moment, I was a strong supporter of Zeitgeist who has been gaining insight to the structure of Zeitgeist and working to ease discussions toward distributing power among everyone and I've already pointed out some of the tools on how to do that.

I am also a person who has a lot more experience in organizational development and leadership than you do. So it would serve you well to listen to everything I have to say. Your arrogance will be the failure of Zeitgeist.

Peter: Before myself, I know of no one besides Jacque and Roxanne that talked on the subject of a RBE.

manilaenglish2 wrote: Congratulations on being the first passionate person other than them to get yourself on a couple of media channels and buying a domain name. So you think you're the only person who was aware of a resource based society while engineering solutions to solve problems rather than create laws? That's concete right there!

Peter: I spent 12 hrs a day researching, creating materials, writing the PDF, creating 4 2 hr+ lectures, writing articles for newspapers, traveling ... to give talks for free, doing interviews and then having a weekly radio address where i did nothing but be tortured by 100s of the same questions, over and over again, patiently working to resolve them.

manilaenglish2 wrote: And we all thank you for your efforts. Others, including myself, would do the same just as soon as a leaderless system of management is implemented.

Peter: I have spent between $15,000-$20,000 on this websites administration/programming/bandwidth since it began and I now operate on a monthly deficit.

Peter: Why haven't you posted your "bills" for verification and scrutiny on the use of funds? A Resource Based Society is a community effort and we all have our resources and the community can intelligently manage those resources openly.

Peter: So then mentalities like you

manilaenglish2 wrote: Whoever I am, right? You already said you don't know who I am. Suffice it to say you don't have my knowledge and expertise. Not even close, child.

Peter: who obviously have no clue about what we are even talking about in the movement based on your threads

manilaenglish2 wrote: Give an obvious example.

Peter: come along and actually have the balls to say my work is essentially too "promoted" here.

manilaenglish2 wrote: The problem is your work is the only work promoted.

Peter: Listen

manilaenglish2 wrote: I'm listening because it's about time you finally got involved in an actual discussion that I've started. That must mean that people are listening to everything I say about the need to spread website and forum management to the entire community. A discussion that has been going on for an entire week which you haven't responded to any of.

Peter: I don't want to be the forefront of anything. I can't stand it. I was recognized the other day in a restaurant and it made me shudder. I am doing my best to push myself into the background and get others out there to speak and present the movement.

manilaenglish2 wrote: That's not good enough. You're just part of the community. You're not suppose to be "in the background". To prove to us all that your true intent is to create the type of society that The Venus Project advocates, you must be part of the talks regarding leaderless, community management of the website, forum and philosophy.

Peter: So - please - have some tact and respect.

manilaenglish2 wrote: I have been very respectful toward you and everyone. And I have been very tactful about addressing your lack of discussion or endorsement of discussions or efforts to distribute control to the community instead of hand picked moderators.

Peter: Also, there is no such thing as "my point of view" here- I am simply restating the data that has been collected.

Peter: That's a strawman. The issue is that you control the website and won't allow the community to post "what has already been collected". Additionally, telling me that there "[is no my] point of view" is very dishonest.

Manila English wrote:
[quote]Apparently the way TVP handles conflicts is via censorship of an entire organization? Is that what you're advocating?[quote]

Peter Joseph wrote:
This is even more hilarious...where do these people come from?

manilaenglish2 wrote: These people? Who are "these people" exactly? And who are you to wave off criticism? You're just one motivated person, who newly discovered TVP after its 30 year existence. Your passion and investment in the project over the last couple years is very admiral and I am thankful to you and respect you for the success of spreading Jacque Fresco's vision.

By the way, I've received all my information from Jacque Fresco's recordings just like you. I've read the book just like you. I've seen the TV interviews just like you. I also have my own brain and can think for myself. I've traveled the wold. In fact, I live abroad. I speak a few languages. You could be trying to make an ally here. Your conceit limits you. I'll be waiting for you apology yet don't expect I'll ever see it.

Peter: If you think the RBOSE has anything to do with what TZM/TVP is actually doing/advocating, you are way off.

manilaenglish2 wrote: Again. You actually have to read through all my posts to address me properly. I've already stated that I've discovered RBOSE only recently. What I've seen is that they advocate a Resource Based Economy, a city to support a RBE and they actively support an open society where anyone can participate. That last part you have stated is something you say you advocate in one of your videos yet don't actually do.

So instead of trying to wave me off or ban me from your forum for addressing these issues (which would result in yet another new blog advocating against Zeitgeist instead of for it), how about you address the real issue and tell us the differences between RBOSE's philosophy and Zeitgeit's.

It was Jacque Fresco who said that "A church divided is no church at all". Not that TVP or RBE is a religion. Only that this statement applies for all organizations, not just churches. And Carl Sagan said (I was watching him on PBS before you were born by the way) that we are all one organism and an organism at war with itself is doomed.

Peter Joseph wrote:
[LOCKED]

manilaenglish2 wrote: Yet the dictator implies there are no leaders (and thus no dictator), nor that he "promotes" his thoughts above others.

So what are you going to do, Peter? Are you going to continue to be hostile toward supporters and further splinter the movement? Or are you going to acknowledge everything I've said, take the criticism as an intellectual, put aside hostilities towards me by apologizing and become willing to work with me on creating a community powered solution?

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If he wants other people to speak, it might be helpful to stop banning them.

>> I have spent between $15,000-$20,000 on website administration/programming/bandwidth since it began and I now operate on a monthly deficit.

lol, bullshit. He downloaded a free CMS and hosted it at GoDaddy which provides unlimited space and bandwidth for $14.99 a month.

>> Your arrogance will be the failure of Zeitgeist.

OH DANG!

What does the leadership do, exactly?

PJ is working on Z3, and the rest translates lectures to usumumburish or what?

Jeez, these people should publish "The 7 habits of highly ineffective and vain people".

Sheesh Peter Merola you are a cunt and you are going down.

http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/peter-joseph-merola-is-plain-arrogant/

Peter thinks he is the next in line to the throne of Frescos venus project, he states he is aware of noone other than him to have talked about RBE other than Fresco and Meadows.

Well I have news for him Venus project was pointed out to him by the guy who did future by design, he discussed it and made movies about it before him, William Gazecki this is the guy who pointed TVP out to him in the first place, also it was on television programs and internet sites being discussed long before Merola got his arrogant mitts on it.
Also it has been around as a for profit company for 35 years and its got a long list of members who have publicly spoken about it to others as well as promote it and learn it.

Peter you are nothing but a person in a line of people who were before you who knew about this. The fact you could have the audacity to claim some kind of power and authority because you claim to have spent your own money on it is ridiculous. If I spend $1 million dollars on my own home and rent it out does this make me an automatic expert on the housing market, building and engineering, and property developement? No it does not you are nothing son, you are just a person who thinks he knows more and deserves more credit than he does in reality.

You are nothing, you are a mere advertisement tool for Frescos project, you are no expert and you are certainly no credible authority in it. Your arrogance and over inflated self opinion is hilarious, you hate to be questioned on your own forum because you cry like a baby about how much you paid for it and how rude it is to do so.

Get over yourself and get the fuck out of dodge if you are “too pussy and cowardice” to deal with it.

I'm going to look back on this some day and facepalm at all the time wasted on a nutjob.

"I'm going to look back on this some day and facepalm at all the time wasted on a nutjob."

That's exactly how I feel about my Randroid ex wife.

Here's a more updated screenshot of that Peter Joseph calling out thread:

http://conspiracyscience.com/images/screenshots/tzm-forums-pj-called-out-then-deleted-topic-and-ban-member.png

But he says he was one of the first to advocate an RBE. So is he at the forefront of RBE or not? What a jackass.

"VTV and Tanktop and Jen Wild and others all have living expenses that need to be provided for."

I would be ashamed if someone posted this about me.

Deeply, deeply ashamed.

Do these guys have no self respect at all? VTV is a grown man relying on the kindness of teenagers. Pathetic and exploitive. He's pissed his life away and now looks to gullible youth to compensate for his lack of education and professional skills. What's worse is he has no desire for either and he's somehow convinced everyone that its the environment's fault his job experience does not extend beyond gas station attendant.

He should be ashamed of himself. Deeply ashamed. What kind of man is this? This is who TZM looks to as a role model? A fucking leech on society with no sense of personal responsibility whatsoever? Christ. The man is an insult to anyone who has ever overcome adversity.

The deleted thread, check the screenshot.

You mean GoDaddy.com?

> proving once again that silent banning and not explaining why to the forum
> membership is common

I believe they inserted (snuck in maybe..) a rule that says they don't have to say someone was banned when their post count was less than 250. (I think it was 250.. obviously it would have looked very suspicious if they had said 5,000 posts...)

I'm not sure how many people actually stay around above 250 posts anyhow...

> VTV and Tanktop and Jen Wild and others all have living expenses that need to be
> provided for.

I know how that could be done for low cost, I'm sure Peter's apartment would be large enough for them all..

Doesn't Fresco have quite a few buildings ?

Or at least land they can put a tent on and build their own homes instead of paying rent someplace.

> my zeitgeist movement hasn't cost me anything yet and I don't have a horribly
> buggy joomla board or a really slow site :D tzm.hopto.org

Peter could save a fortune by following your lead!

> I have spent between $15,000-$20,000 on website administration/programming/bandwidth

If we had a breakdown on that we might see where the majority of money has been spent..

Who wants to take bets that 90% has gone towards paying TankTop..

> The man is an insult to anyone who has ever overcome adversity.

Let us not forget that before people overcame adversity some was like him, perhaps one day he too will.