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EricPosted: Aug 02, 2010 - 16:56
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Through out the day I've gone through this fine piece of work and it seems to me that now he's gone out of his way to "source" the things he said in the first film, he can promote it with glee as a part of the movement. Though, I'm sure people will still say "the movies aren't the movement" his statement makes be believe he doesn't believe it:

So, if you happen to come across people who have absorbed the biased disposition that The Zeitgeist Movement 'must' be discredited because I, Peter Joseph, made a "debunked" film - please show them the above PDF. I can assure you it will keep them busy for a while.

So what he's saying is that you can show this document instead of understanding anything or arguing any of your own points, which is typical of conspiracy theorists anyway. His inability to be wrong will ensure the failure of his movement, even after he releases this new film. I think especially now that the document has increased his confidence/ego about the first film, he won't be moving away from it at all, and may even go on to promote it once again.

What he doesn't seem to understand is that:
1) Most people don't care about conspiracy theories, and are in fact turned off by them.
2) Almost no one, especially not a true believer, is going to read the document, they'll just pass it along like a good little parrot to anyone who questions the film.

So what's different? The content is basically the same, except he adds in 'round about explanations as to why he's correct, cherry picking details and pretending they're profound. It's no different from Alex Jones, really.

I'm not sure what else can be said about this, his first film was extremely popular, but it peaked long ago, and updating it won't change anything except make true believers send us more emails.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 02, 2010 - 17:21
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It is certainly looking like he feels as if he can not be wrong with his paid for CT rag.
He appears to have increased self belief in the recruiting core generator movie for his movement also.

Those are bad signs for the movement, their leader has invested his money into other people to do his work, he is passing it off and taking credit for it, he is further adding mud to the already murky water of what his movement is, and he is also not changing his stance that CT's are real inclusive of all the erroneous things claimed in his movie.

If he thinks people are not going to call them a CT movement he is living in cuckoo land.

Cuckooo Cuckooo Cuckooo

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Agent MattPosted: Aug 02, 2010 - 17:46
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Jordan Maxwell is such a disgusting pervert. Big ole Jabba the Hut fucker projecting his weirdo fetishes on others.

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SkyPosted: Aug 02, 2010 - 18:14
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Peter Joseph should trademark the term "biased disposition".

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KeppPosted: Aug 02, 2010 - 18:33
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LOL @ Jordan Maxwell comment!

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duncanlecombrePosted: Aug 03, 2010 - 01:31
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Why is PJ so obsessed with religion and 9/11 when supposedly his main purpose is a RBE.
PJ attacks all religions saying they are wrong and if everyone had his view there would be world peace...............
well DUH and if everyone truly followed (insert random religion here) there would be world peace.

I also like when J Fresco complains their are multiple denominations of Christianity and that thats why it would fail.............well how many denominations of Atheism are their? I would assume many times MORE because everyone has their own view.
I can guarantee that Merola's version of Atheism is different from Fresco's.

A lot of people I know fall for TZM in a non hardcore way, and it makes my brain hurt.

On Jordan Maxwell, all I can say is do a little research into how to tell if people are lying, just a little bit, you can learn some very basic tips on mannerisms and which way people are looking when they speak that tell you a lot..............then watch a Jordan Maxwell interview..............I'll let you come to your own conclusions.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Aug 03, 2010 - 02:56
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"Why is PJ so obsessed with religion and 9/11 when supposedly his main purpose is a RBE."

As others have pointed out, I think it's because he has trouble admitting he is/was wrong about anything. It's the same reason he still hangs onto those Fed conspiracies from his paultard days.

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duncanlecombrePosted: Aug 04, 2010 - 00:27
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I don't thing PJ could really do much of anything in his movies unless he can get an emotional response from his viewers.

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MuertosPosted: Aug 04, 2010 - 00:30
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Duncan, I doubt he cares about emotional response. He wants as many conspiracy theorists as possible to join his crusade. That's what he cares about, and from what I can observe of his behavior, that objective is paramount to anything else he says he wants to achieve.

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duncanlecombrePosted: Aug 04, 2010 - 00:47
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My point is that instead of educating he uses fear and moody music to gain support even if he has to bend the truth, but I totally agree with what your saying.

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duncanlecombrePosted: Aug 04, 2010 - 00:48
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I have to say though, If he focused his skills in a more productive direction he could have done some real good in the world.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 05, 2010 - 17:58
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Typos... yes.
Not too many but I need to fix. Apart from Part 1, which I drafted and was then well proofed/expanded on by Acharya S - Parts 2 and 3 need more cosmetic proofing. I also want to thank John and Scott for their source suggestions for those parts...very helpful - sadly, I had to rush the actual composing/writing of it as I just don't have time these days to think twice. Z3 is turning into a wonderful creation...

Also- there are some appendixes which have yet to be included. They will come eventually. I also want to point out that this Guide was about finishing what I had started. (Not to mention, as an aside, the amusement of watching all the hardened debunkers struggle to twist everything in their favor)

Beyond that- I have a good deal of Knowledge base articles coming and, as a general update, a total Comm Team overhaul is underway. The goal is to get our infrastructure as fluid as possible for the release of Z3. It's going to be huge- I'm going to see to that - that's my job! Also, I want everyone to lay off the Anti-Z people and let them continue their games. Little do they know how much traffic and interest they have generated for us with their youtube videos and bashing forums. I got my 10th email in 2 weeks from people who found the attack videos/bashing forums first… did some research and have now joined us.

It's funny how they don’t realize that yet... they are an inadvertent PR Team.
I now love it, frankly. I check youtube everyday in hope for a new hate video about me or the movement.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=279692&limit=10&limitstart=10#279888

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Sil the ShillPosted: Aug 05, 2010 - 19:29
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"The more people attack us...Well, that's how we know this is a REAL movement."

More sound logic from TZM members.

Pendrokar also makes a cameo to state that TZM has little to do with Z1. It should be fun to watch the internal wish-washing. I'm sure Z1 was disavowed because it had been debunked by so many people, but now that TZM members see this companion guide... they might not be so willing to say 'the movies aren't the movement!'. Only time will tell.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 05, 2010 - 19:47
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this section made me chuckle:

" Also, I want everyone to lay off the Anti-Z people and let them continue their games. Little do they know how much traffic and interest they have generated for us with their youtube videos and bashing forums. I got my 10th email in 2 weeks from people who found the attack videos/bashing forums first… did some research and have now joined us.

It's funny how they don’t realize that yet... they are an inadvertent PR Team.
I now love it, frankly. I check youtube everyday in hope for a new hate video about me or the movement. "

He knows we read it and he reads ours etc.. its a two way thing, his people come here and anti people go there.
I also think he is just bullshitting his way to happiness here by saying he 'loves it', if he loved it why has he spent months and months trying to devalue anyone who disagrees with him and his movement? why has he put so much personal effort in detracting anyone from reading and coming to the oppositional view of his movement?

Its transparent and its reverse psychology, he is hoping that by saying he is not bothered anymore that we will stop because he thinks we are doing it just to get at him. This is not the case as far as I am doing it is because I disagree with him and his movements claims completely, its not personal.

Also ten people emailed him in a week after seeing the oppositional material first ? Theyd never heard of zeitgeist and were introduced to his movement from the oppositional views and then agreed with him after going there?
I call bullshit, and if he can prove its not bullshit this shows how ineffective his advertising and promotion campaign is if he's getting recruits in this way. Newsflash Merola your members join other movements and anti zm places after leaving your forum too.

Last but not least gotta love how he uses the 'little do they know', 'its funny how they dont realize' terms, as if were dumb asses who have no idea that talking about him gets people checking him out. But it doesnt matter to me if he gets more idiots joining his movement, it still doesnt prove anything he says is right, it doesnt change the fact hes a conspiracy theorist and his movement is filled with them, it doesnt change the fact he hasnt got a scientific bone in his body.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Aug 05, 2010 - 19:59
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If he wasn't bothered, he wouldn't feel the need to do amateur psychology and call people who disagree with him mentally ill and compare them with bigots.

If TZM was really getting more popular their hits wouldn't be steadily declining since January. Take a look at the Alexa rankings for the last 7 days, there was barely a hiccup on August 2nd, and statistically it doesn't stand out at all from other days of slight highness -- so this document wasn't that revolutionary.

In fact I've only gotten one email about it, it seems to be favored by only true believers, most of which wouldn't email me anyway.

>> But it doesnt matter to me if he gets more idiots joining his movement, it still doesnt prove anything he says is right, it doesnt change the fact hes a conspiracy theorist and his movement is filled with them, it doesnt change the fact he hasnt got a scientific bone in his body.

The best most people can do is sign up for the mailing list which isn't really joining, I'm even on the mailing list, does that mean I'm a TZM member? Hardly, anyone who disagrees with Peter is a "non-member." Do they remove banned members from the list? I doubt they do. Most people who even get interested in the forums (about 1 in 10 seemed to be the average prior to the test) will come up against the test that most won't pass without spending a lot of time watching videos and reading text. People really don't care to do that.

I'm not sure what PJ's mindset is when he thinks he can cast out anyone who disagrees, stick with beliefs that only make him look delusional in the eyes of others, and makes his movement harder to get into than the homecoming queen's dress, and yet change the world. Change the world? Really? What's going to happen when Z3 doesn't get "millions" of new members? I have a feeling he'll eventually consider most people unworthy of being lead by him, if he doesn't think that already.

I think in the end we've done all we can do to get real information out there, they can come up with bullshit sources until the last proton decays, that doesn't make them scientific, much less correct.

I never set out to destroy TZM, in fact I started this site when PJ was still promoting the Ron Paul revolution. Manilaenglish2 was absolutely right, PJ will destroy his movement -- it will be by his own hand, he's already done a really good job up to this point.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Aug 05, 2010 - 21:55
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I also like everyone thanking Peter for all his hard work on the companion guide. Meanwhile oblivious to the fact that he didn't write it, and Peter just doesn't seem to care enough to correct them. ;)

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BrentonPosted: Sep 21, 2010 - 23:37
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I have to say that I am at least a little impressed by his attempts to expand Part II of the film. Still watching that part, and I'm being far from conclusive about anything - but you can tell he's tried there.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 22, 2010 - 00:15
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Part II should have been removed.

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BrentonPosted: Sep 22, 2010 - 00:26
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Absolutely. But we know that wasn't going to happen.

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EdPosted: Oct 04, 2010 - 09:47
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I have to say that I am at least a little impressed by his attempts to expand Part II of the film. Still watching that part, and I'm being far from conclusive about anything - but you can tell he's tried there.

Im confused, what impressed you? His ability to add more lies to a film full of lies?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 00:57
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So I made an official article from parts of this thread because I got tired of people claiming we've never mentioned the source guide:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/220-page-source-guide/

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 08:43
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This thread is disinformation.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 08, 2010 - 12:46
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great article. short, to the point

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