Skeptic Project

true nanos, but if it's the butt of all jokes it won't be taken seriously and more of a satire movement or satire cult movement which worships a 90 year old man as a god.

When I see people quote Fresco, then twist and interpret things based on Fresco and what he says, that's what a cult does, that's what a religion does and it disturbs me. See below for an example.

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=267220#267286

>>says Tanoro
Jacque points out that societies who stick to the old ways and primitive standards like the monetary system are inherently corrupt. I believe this applies to people as well. People who believe what they are told, refuse to question things, and refuse to pursue the next level of awareness are inherently corrupt. These corrupt people will never be of use to society, because they are conditioned against progressive thinking and self-improvement. Therefore, as society evolves around them, they themselves become more and more irrelevant to society itself. Consider older individuals at ages 50+ who grew up prior to the rise of the Internet. Some of these individuals elevated themselves into adopting the Internet into their daily lives. For them, life changes very little with regard to their interaction with society. For individuals who stubbornly stick to the old ways, while society uses the Internet for nearly everything now, interactions become increasingly cumbersome and inefficient. <<

>>Jacque points out that societies who stick to the old ways and primitive standards like the monetary system are inherently corrupt. I believe this applies to people as well.<< <--- the minute I read this is the minute I knew instantly this kid is brainwashed cult drone. My question to this individual is... what do you think? What material did you read? Data you read? Experiments you've done? When interpreting all the information what is your opinion about it? but no, it's either Peter Merola, Jacque Fresco, or Roxanne Meadows says "blah blah blah" and that's why zeitcult members believe in this way too. That is a CULT, that is brain washing. When the thinking and questioning process is stopped and zeitcult members start basing their belief on what there leaders say that is dogma. People in the Zeitcult movement no longer think for themselves and any suggestion that goes against there zeitcult movement is given with the same standard rhythmic repeated response example that I must be mentally Ill, or I need to watch the DVD's. Rather than logic and reason zeitcult members give repetitive answers and rely on there tenets err dogma of there movement with zero critical thinking, Peter Merola the sudo intellectual, Jacque Fresco the engineer without a degree, and Roxanne Meadows the hippie flower child trying to make a easy buck before Fresco kicks it.

Again this is all I have to say to anybody that relies on Dogma, please watch this video below Zeitgeist movement and venus project members :D

Dr feelgood explains the Cult Zeitgeist movement and Venus Project

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH5sIqnSpRM

Quote from Anon, posted by VTV:

"Anonymous is aware of the situation and it isn't the first piece of fail like this we've seen. Attempts have been made by many other freaks, to "personal army" Anonymous.

I wouldn't worry, I haven't seen these failmongers on the chans /i/ or /raid/ boards. From what I have read about the zeitgeist movement (and I said as much to fail-billll) Anonymous is more likely to join it than protest it.

Party Hard."

I actually think it's not THAT wrong. One of my friends browses /b from time to time and the reception of TZM seems to be between "god not this again", and - well, some guys post it.

I'd assume that Anon might be interested in a movement for social change, at least when targeted at actual values they could agree with - like Internet privacy, lower government surveillance, especially for things like Echelon and Carnivore and maybe even personal rights > property rights, if phrased simple and as nonideologic as possible.

This might be an opportunity for ZM...if used correctly, which I'm not that sure they'll be able to pull of. Still, it's not like chances are 1 when handled good and 0 when handled bad, probably more like 70% vs. 20%

@CJ
As far as I can see here we have a bunch of people who are taking their own direction in the name of anonymous, whether they post on the chans is debatable. But from what I have seen they know some of the memes and are doing a good job of making it look like its the dissenters TZM dislike.
I mean my blog is getting abused for info and I know they have used posts and information from here.They have also used RBOSE and even RBEF material, so for me its a bit of a strange one. It could be banned members but then again it could really be anonymous members.

As far as TZM profiting off it we have already seen them attempt to profit off haiti, the oil crisis and other such matters, how they can profiteer off another negative attack against them is something I would have to question.
Shit they even tried to do the anonymous moderation as soon as these channels came online, which was completely odd to observe.

ah I remember that individual who mentioned my name, I've corresponded with that individual on a anonymous youtube video channel. I think I pissed him off a bit to be honest. He's in the zeitgeist conspiracy theory cult movement, but he's a bit dumb and a glory hound. Glad I could rage him enough for him to still remember my name and talk about me Q.Q

VTV you are fat and poor.

Wasnt peterpan Aaron? I dont think its accurate to call him a "member".

Oh believe you me, I was a member. :P

Jeez. I logged in, saw the oil thread was closed, then I couldn't find this thread (until I noticed it was stickied) and thought, "did Peter Merola take over as moderator?"

what i love about VTV's post is this

'So I just had an exchange from someone who seems to be legit in Anonymous and they said the following:'

He is very gullible to believe in one over another because they are pro TVP it seems.
If it was me I would not use a happy thread and believe it outright, I would consider the alternative and watch myself.

But thats VTV all over he just goes with his bias.

@Edward

Is there a peterpan ban thread in public mod?

I believe he just deleted his post and banned him with no mention

Too many thought stopping cliches with TZM. Exhausted statements like "the monetary system is inherently corrupt"...."any type of money, energy credit, etc. will not make things better"..."charity, open source, inventions, etc. are patch work" or "Jacque says, Roxanne says, Peter says, ...."

This is part of the reason I no longer post there much due to the lack of critical thought and not truly being open to ideas, especially, ones that are more realistic or within the general proven rules and theories of economics.

And Peter is just digging himself in a hole with his current reputation of not being open to valid criticisms and labeling them as bigotry and ad hominem.

I sadly missed that.

I'm still waiting on posts about why my other account was banned.

Why would he delete posts? Wouldn't he want to showcase them as proof that people are "trolling" them and calling them out for baseless reasons? Or is it possible that he's afraid of people seeing any sort of logical criticism toward him and his movement?

I think that's very wise, considering some people could get a kick out of seeing a post regarding their ban. Not that I'd fit into that category... :P

Thankfully, Nanos, our money isn't invested in TZM.

The posts aren't being deleted. If I recall correctly, they're getting moved to a private section [mod access only].

Can someone do me a favour and keep a copy of the T&C of TZM forums at hand in-case they try and change it and say that me talking about private mod sections is against an agreement I made?

I'll keep a copy too, but better if multiples of us do.

Note that the whole argument seems to be:

"Right, however the problems that moderators deal with will slowly go away in an RBE as most negative behavior will go away with it.

Most trolls are just people starved for social stratification, or people who seek to harm others through humiliation to stratify themselves. Those negative patterns will be recognized as disease and fade."

That's Lenin, if he knows it or not. Capitalist corruption will fade away after a while and workers will learn to work together - after all they produce for themselves now, not for some egoistic czar or businessman.

It didn't work that easily, and even if Russia had had the resources to reach communism, it's a really subtle way to say "We will be happy when this is over, so don't mind all of the authoritative shit we do, it's for a good cause!".

I don't give a damn about the forums, but I doubt that they would be more democratic in RL endeavors.