Skeptic Project

http://tzm-usa.org/2011/04/19/tvp-separates-from-tzm/</p>

In a recent US Meeting, the agenda turned over to accommodate addressing the recent TVP criticism of TZM. Since the matter was of utmost importance to address, Peter Joseph was in attendance to provide his perspective on the situation and shed light on his position. During the course of the extended meeting, Roxanne was invited to join and during this time she gave a final response to TZM. The end result was disappointing and disheartening to many dedicated volunteers. Both entities move forward towards advocating a global, resource-based economy, but TVP has opted to restrict use of materials to only advocates who join their forthcoming new platform for activism associated directly with The Venus Project organization.

US Meeting Q & A with Peter Joseph: http://tzm-usa.org/Apr18-2011/Apr18-2011-PJ.mp3</p>

US Meeting Q & A with Roxanne of TVP : http://tzm-usa.org/Apr18-2011/Apr18-2011-Rox.mp3</p>

Post Q & A Discussion Among Activists: http://tzm-usa.org/Apr18-2011/Apr18-2011-Post.mp3</p>

Although the digital face of the movement will begin to undergo a massive makeover to accommodate the request for non-association, rest assured that as no one person or entity owns the exclusive rights to the scientific method or the intention to prioritize human life value in the very design of an environment, The Zeitgeist Movement can continue forward as a mass communication network of volunteers who advocate educating others about a global, resource-based economy (not successfully trademarked btw) through an entirely grassroots effort. Not as competitors, but as another support mechanism for a better, more improved future for humankind that has evolved from many great minds over many hundreds of years of scientific research and innovation, Fresco among many. The past few years were still just the very beginning of the transition…the objective still remains so much bigger than any one person.

We will be in touch with further developments on the new TZM…
Standing with you on the shoulders of giant ideas,

Jen Wilding
USA Coordinator
The Zeitgeist Movement

http://tzm-usa.org/2011/04/19/tvp-separates-from-tzm/

OK,I have now listened to the meeting, Roxanne said TZM must not use TVP materials, and since we cannot really promote the venus project without using their materials, we must refocus our energies into promoting RBE.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=333939&limit=10&limitstart=10&Itemid=100114#333996

Here is the Roxanne Meadows full interview: http://soundcloud.com/georgepacheco/tzm-tvp-meeting-april-19th

Requesting TL;DL version.

I don't want to listen, I just want to know the contents.

Oh well Im not gonna translate it to text someone else can do that haha.

In short here are some exact points Roxanne Meadows says:

We [TVP] have the only blueprints for the future, we also have the technology to build it but we are not prepared to hand them over to anyone, we are however prepared to work with countries who want to implement The Venus Project.

[MY COMMENT: ambiguity about who they are prepared to hand them over to is hilarious. Whatt exactly is a country ? how can she hand them over to an inanimate object that is merely a label, a governmental beurau ]

Noone else is capable of doing what we can do, scientists can not do what we can do because they lack the training and understanding, they come out of typical schools and could not do what we can.

[MY COMMENT: unbelievable arrogance in this one and to be quite truthful its utter bullshit]

We want to control everything that is done in the name of The Venus Project, do not use our materials if you are not working with us and through us directly. We will not let another organisation use our ideas and materials any more.

[MY COMMENT: all about the benjamins]

Thats the one , Roxanne says some unbelievable things in it, its worth listening to, you will get an insight into the mind of the cult leader and the con artists intentions.

One member says he thinks Roxanne is dispicable for going into this meeting criticising TZM and then soliciting TZM members to go and join her in her Venus Project fund raising haha.

Yup I knew people would have emotional breakdowns about this, I have encountered these cult members directly and know they are overly attached to all of this. Like I said earlier this week there are currently households across the world with kids and adults in them who are moping about having major breakdowns, making other peoples lives miserable about them due to this pathetic situation.

I've said it before: This is exactly like when someone's favorite televangelist is caught with hookers and cocaine.

Wow Merola is seriously butthurt.

Its over.

I listened to the whole thing.

Sounded like a World of Warcraft guild rift over loot. Bunch of nerds with headsets whining.

Running in circles would be easy too, because the city is round.

Skipped around a bit, looks like all Zeitgeisters are asking what they're doing wrong and not getting a real answer.

I guess TVP is unsatisfied with PJ's success as a fund raiser and now they want to milk their crowd themselves. There simply is not any logical reason for them announcing their sudden shift in thinking - for years TZM was okay, but now they want to organize themselves? Yeah sure.