Skeptic Project

It really is Matt, LOL. I think the best part is that Jacque was ranting in that original video about Peter having this ego and wanting to be the center of attention, and now in that interview she's complaining about how Jacque and herself aren't "in control" of the Movement.

Ah, you know, Peter's the one who got all the attention in the first place - he should just dump their influence and take the general social philosophies that are clear from ZM ideas and start proper political advocacy. They've destroyed themselves, though, with all this, so it doesn't really matter either way.

Oh this gets too good. She says "if you wanna stay with the Zeitgeist Movement then we ask that you do not use our things" LOL!!! So the ideology is supposed to be all about sharing and spreading the idea, but, if you aren't directly associated with TVP don't you dare us it! HAHA! Well, that's just shooting themselves in the foot!

She even says they're not "interested" in "presenting the designs and the blueprints" to scientists. Again, shooting themselves in the foot. But the question begs, just why don't they want to present that to scientists?

That's what I'm getting at. If you've got revolutionary designs, you don't hide them in a cupboard and say "the world is not ready" because people will conclude that they don't exist...

Jen sounds like she's crying... Or maybe she is...

I should be out of bed toning my hair and running errands for an interview, but I can afford an hour because this is tooo good ahaha.

Does Peter talk at all through the Roxanne discussion or is he just sitting there festering with disgust?

"If we don't get it [money for film], well we'll be doing an independent film." OH JOY. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT!

I was joking. Oh gosh I'm up to the bit where Roxanne says that Jacque knows more than Peter. I really, really doubt that one.

Up to Peter's rage. LIKE. You're calling it a nerd rage and I'm calling it perfection. He's so right on point and knows they're fucking him over.

I am past 44 minutes HAHA.

Their complaints about ZIII were about Jacque not being centre-focus enough. No surprises there. LOL.

Poor Peter needs a big hug, and a gin-o'clock that goes for days and days and days.

I think it's very good that most of them seem to disagree with her, and that they can see through that it's all money. And poor things, Rivkin ignored them!

They really fucked him over and he really didn't even consider the possibility, did he?

Somehow I get the feeling they've made more money this time than last...

^ No, I think your right on this.

I mean I actually do feel sorry for Peter, here's yet another lecture he's either given or going to give that apparently is divergent from the organisation he's dedicated himself to supporting with no appreciation from the two heads of the organisation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI

It's not quite so bad that they insulted the whole ZM membership, as it is that they insulted a guy that's clearly devoted himself probably more than any other person ever to their ideas.

If anyone's been fucked around the most, it's Peter. And I have no qualms saying that I do feel sorry for him. I'm not emotionally upset for him or anything ridiculous like that, but if I think about if I was in his shoes right now I'd have wayyyyy more rage than he's expressed thus far.

He sent an e-mail out today

Friends,

Due to recent events, Federico Pistono's show will be pushed back a week so Peter Joseph can address some time sensitive issues regarding the relationship of The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement.

www.blogtalkradio.com/zmglobal

www.blogtalkradio.com/zmglobal/2011/04/20/april-20th--the-zm-global-radio--with-federico-pistono

Time: Wed. April 6th at 4pm EDT

About: ZM Global Radio is a weekly radio show presented by various active coordinators of The Zeitgeist Movement in a rotational fashion. These broadcasts discuss the developments and aims of The Zeitgeist Movement www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

ZM

I bet due to the controversy it'll be the most listened to show in quite some time. Wonder if he'll be calm and collected when he does this. Will be interesting to find out. I mean either the Movement goes on officially separating itself from VP entirely, or it doesn't keep going in my mind. The whole platform needs to change now, or it's over... entirely...

I think I had more personal communication with him than anybody else that posts on here has. I feel sorry for him because, despite my serious disagreements with him I do think that he is genuine about his aspirations. That doesn't legitimize anything, but I do think it does allow that he is just a human being like anybody else and just as capable of being duped by someone.

Well yes good point, although I don't think comparing him to Pol Pot is quite fair.

Anyway, before I stand by my conclusion that he is genuine and not just playing people I'm waiting to see what he says in this show. If he's all pacifist and trying to spin what's clearly happened then he just cannot be trusted at all. If he's not then I'll give it to him that he's not going to be fucked over by them, which is all I wanna see.

I mean personally I'll give him credit. Not credit in the admiration kind. But the credit that I think Roxanne and Jacque should be giving him. He's spent the past few years trying to turn Jacque's jingoistic ideas into an economic theory/philosophy. Not that the philosophies are new/entirely original, but he has tried to take it from Jacque's rants to something that has logic at it's base. They seem to give him absolutely no credit for that attempt. All they have is drawings and ideas. Have any of you read 'The Best That Money Can't Buy'? There's NOTHING in it that argues it from a logic-perspective, there's nothing in the TVP materials that does that. Peter has tried to do that. Roxanne and Jacque are indebted to him for so much. So I'm not talking about my own personal credits to him - I'm just highlighting how THEY should be treating him.

Their behaviour is just so freaking out of line. But, taking into account Jacque's history it isn't quite so surprising...

Well if he's spent as much money on the work he's done for them as he has said he has (which would be more than they themselves ever have), I can understand him being personally angry. I'd be way way way more angry than he is.

And as soon as he did pull back a bit on them, they jumped ship.

Well, yeah, but it's probably a good lesson too - doubt he'll ever trust people that claim to be altruistic so easily ever again. If there's anything that's good, that is. TVP sells easily to people that trust easily, or are looking for something to trust because they don't trust anything. That's what makes it cult-like.