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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 24, 2012 - 19:00
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Changed topic title as of 08/05/2012 this topic is reserved for TVP abstract of TVP lecture and Q&A along with SP discussion. Old topic title was "old topic title :TVP FAQ This Coming Sunday (#3)"

TVP lectures are held every Sunday at 2PM EST. Fresco and Roxanne give the lectures and then have a Q&A towards the end in TVP TS3. Meeting usually last about an hour.

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Most lecture given abstract to will be given a date. The Date given can be associated to the record on the TVP website in case anybody wants to listen to that particular recording from that lecture.






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We started just hanging out on mumble (voice overIP) every Sunday at 1800 UTC (1PM EST) following the TVP lectures for a few months now (it helps me bare through the lecture so I can keep up with my RBE criteria list). This is more of a unofficial gathering than a meeting but we mainly we do sort of live debunk on what TVP says in the live lectures/Q and A, pokefun, and make up questions for TVP to answer, among other things (sometimes we just idle and listen and do nothing as well and that's cool). If anybody doesn't have anything better to do on Sunday join up on mumble 1800 UTC (1PM EST), join information below.

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It's that time of month to ask TVP questions.

I'm going to be asking some question to TVP this week at their FAQ this Sunday. If anybody else wants some question of their own asked post them up here and I'll send it in with my questions. I'll be sending these questions in by the end of Friday so get them in before then. If you want you can send them the question/s yourself at questions@thevenusproject.com .

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old topic title :TVP FAQ This Coming Sunday (#3)

I ripped this from Agent Matt.
"The main motivation for wanting an RBE is not having to work. Its such a juvenile and incoherent ideology."

1. Is the main motivation for wanting an RBE, not having to work?


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CyborgJesusPosted: Jan 24, 2012 - 19:31
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"Peer-review is one of the main pillars of scientific research, so why aren't there any peer-reviewed articles published by TVP?"

Answer: Because research is hard and begging for money is easy.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 24, 2012 - 22:35
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Quote from CyborgJesus

"Peer-review is one of the main pillars of scientific research, so why aren't there any peer-reviewed articles published by TVP?"

Answer: Because research is hard and begging for money is easy.


Funny thing cyborg Jesus. I am in the process of developing a criteria list for a resource based economy. Although I don't agree with a RBE or the venus project I am interested to see what a RBE exactly would look like all in one shot rather than spread all over the place. Right now I'm in the process of listening to audio and videos, reading the TVp website and reading "The Best That Money Can't Buy" and anything else Roxanne and Fresco have said over the years. I'm just basically recording the time stamps of the video, page number, and webpage link right now to eventually compile that into into a criteria list which i'll release to SP first and then TVP community second.
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JimJesusPosted: Jan 24, 2012 - 23:43
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CyborgJesusPosted: Jan 25, 2012 - 01:18
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You're probably wasting your time with that. Their RBE is so unspecific that you can reframe it at will to match any evidence you encounter.

Combine that with lots of folks being sick of society as it is - myself included - and you can build some interest, even though their vision is extremely vague and their plan of action practically nonexistent.

A "real" tech movement would look at things like the chasm, which is a nice little concept to visualize the challenge of taking a very idealistic product and selling it to a mainstream market. TVP doesn't even know it exists, they're living in a dreamworld where science is drawing and the math just does itself.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 25, 2012 - 01:53
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Quote from CyborgJesus

You're probably wasting your time with that. Their RBE is so unspecific that you can reframe it at will to match any evidence you encounter.

Combine that with lots of folks being sick of society as it is - myself included - and you can build some interest, even though their vision is extremely vague and their plan of action practically nonexistent.

A "real" tech movement would look at things like the chasm, which is a nice little concept to visualize the challenge of taking a very idealistic product and selling it to a mainstream market. TVP doesn't even know it exists, they're living in a dreamworld where science is drawing and the math just does itself.


That's the very reason I'm doing this

Originally I decided to make the RBE criteria list because me and a few others thought it would be interesting to make a video game based on it as we concluded we could make it like a television series called Terra Nova. I do agree with you that "Their RBE is so unspecific" as it came to my attention that no one not even Fresco or Roxanne knew exactly what a RBE is, and that eventually the criteria list came about (well I knew from day one that no one really knew and they were just making things up as they went along). I think one of the main things a criteria list can do in this case besides making a video game is it gives a chance for academics to examine it and criticize and or revise it as needed to see if it can really stand up on it's own or as I would suspect it's completely crazy and would never be able to stand up on it's own.

To get a little bit more into this as far as developing to criteria list I have restricted myself to just what Fresco and Roxanne have said about a RBE and or what's on the website. I have developed two categories, the first category is about criteria for a RBE the second is criteria for what type's of social values will be in a rbe. I am conflicted if i should add social values into a rbe or not but including it into the the list for now in a separate category shouldn't hurt anything and if I don't add it in i'll include the references to the social values along with the other category when the criteria list is done.

"You're probably wasting your time with that."

I agree but it's either this or posting scat pictures on 4chan.

I think this would help individuals within TVP and TZM take a look at exactly what their promoting as a criteria list would be right in front of them (that can be revised if not working), would be easier for academics to take a look and evaluate a RBE more precisely, for any die hard RBEr they can base their models of a RBE on the RBE criteria list, and possibly some individuals may come to the conclusion that a RBE might be a Utopian pipe dream that's made as a hook line and sinker for suckers and from their may start thinking more rationally about way to enhance their life. Pretty much the Venus Project is a RBE, at which is a very vague term that both TVP and TZM use all the time yet no one really knows what it is but demystifying the term a bit by making a criteria list I think it'll put things into a better perspective for both the people who preach it, the none believers, and the people who just do not know.
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CyborgJesusPosted: Jan 25, 2012 - 10:13
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Well, as long as your main motivation isn't to convince anybody within TVP, give it a shot. If you want, I can post some of the mechanisms I envision for my 5-man-project interdependent economics when you're done, comparing the two might be interesting.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 25, 2012 - 11:46
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Quote from CyborgJesus

Well, as long as your main motivation isn't to convince anybody within TVP, give it a shot. If you want, I can post some of the mechanisms I envision for my 5-man-project interdependent economics when you're done, comparing the two might be interesting.


Yes sure that may be interesting. You may even get support from people who see's your views as more realistic than theirs and or TVP/TZM.

I think I'd like to go through a few phases as far as the process of how this RBE criteria list is done. First I'd make one, second I release it on SP and see what you guys think then make revisions as needed, third I release it to the TVP community and apparently from what I heard they will form a team to revise what I have, in the Forth stage at which would be dependent on the TVP community if they would like for this to happen I'd like Fresco and Roxanne to take a look at the TVP community RBE criteria list and make revisions on that and possibly the criteria/SP community criteria list as well and make revisements.

I'm unsure if that will go down exactly like planned but that's what I'm aiming for. So basically I'll have 4 different criteria lists reviewed and revised by different communities (again who knows if it will actually go down in this manner). Ultimately out of the 4 RBE revised criteria lists only 2 of those criteria lists will matter to SP, TVP and TZM which are the RBE criteria lists the TVP community has made and is official, and the criteria list of what Roxanne and Fresco have made and is official. These 2 RBE criteria list can then be used to evaluate the validity of a RBE better by academics, or anybody else as well as a number of other things.

If for some reason TVP community nor Fresco/Roxanne review nor support revising a RBE criteria list at which requires zero donations to make, and is a perfectly ok way to evaluate and simplify a RBE, I would think people within TVP/TZM as well as the outsiders would have a problem with this. At most this would cost someone's time and at that it would costs most of my time doing this.
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emcadaPosted: Jan 25, 2012 - 16:48
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well since we're on the topic of an unclear RBE why not ask TVP if they can explain in detail what an RBE is, how it will work, and how it will make life better for everyone as opposed to the current systematic economic structure of modern societies?
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 26, 2012 - 14:17
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Quote from emcada

well since we're on the topic of an unclear RBE why not ask TVP if they can explain in detail what an RBE is, how it will work, and how it will make life better for everyone as opposed to the current systematic economic structure of modern societies?


Sounds like a good question.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 28, 2012 - 11:03
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So I had a few other people last night add some question to the TVP FAQ question list. I decided to hold off on sending the questions in as I'm not entirely done putting down my questions. Here is a list of questions I have compiled as of right now.



1. Is the main motivation for wanting an RBE society so people do not have to work?


2. Peer-review is one of the main pillars of scientific research, so why aren't there any peer-reviewed articles published by TVP?


3. What do you think of Soylent Green?

References

Soylent Green is... Poop?
http://www.jungleapocalypse.com/featured/soylent-green-is-poop/


4. Can TVP explain in detail what an RBE is, how it will work, and how it will make life better for everyone as opposed to the current systematic economic structure of modern societies?


5. Will anything happen on December 21, 2012?


6. Who came up with the resource based economy?


7. In a RBE society could their be a possibility that war can still happen if not by internal forces then by external forces (EX: Aliens)? If things cannot be settled diplomatically using reason and logic with another civilization, can a RBE society then justify the means of war on a civilization that has a different set of values and morals which are that their civilizations is only out to loot plundered resources from a RBE society?


8. If war could happen with another civilization that threatened a RBE societies way of life then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the RBE society to continue the development of weapons just in case something were to occur?


9. What type of weapons would a RBE society be allowed to use in war?


10. What type of weapons would a RBE society not be allowed to use in war?


11. As robots are more efficient than humans as they can live forever, faster processing speed, do not require sleep or food, no emotions, no sex drive, and can enhance our technological singularity 100 fold; Will all humans eventually turn into robots within a RBE society?


12. Will a RBE society just happen on a per-planet bases or will it extend to other planets, or maybe other galaxies?


13. I have noticed on the venus project website in the FAQ section of the website question 107 which is " You were once affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement. Why did you split with that?" it showed a nice video about the TVP and TZM split. Although for the most part I agree with the video I'm wondering why Peter Joseph is so upset with the video as Peter has said on the TZM official facebook page to the maker of the video that

" Peter Joseph [ Official ]
Frankly, I found this spin hilarious. They attack the very person who worked non-stop to bring TVP to public attention for 2 years. Such is the nature? of sheepish, ego driven group identification. Every point made is wrong in this video but it certainly sounds good for the purpose of Ego perpetuation. I will be in Israel in Dec. I challenge TVPActivismIsrael to have the balls to say this cowardly shit to me in person when I am there."


Why is he so upset? Why is Peter not addressing the valid points made in the video? Why is Peter suggesting the maker of the video "get some balls" and "meet him in person" unless Peter wants to starts a physical altercation with this TVP supporter? I personally find the video to be pretty accurate for the most part but I find Peter Joseph's response applauding then again I'm not too surprised based on what he has said in the past.

References

Why did The Venus Project part ways with The Zeitgeist Movement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJbRM46tltI

Peter Josephs comment on it. (Peter had deleted the comment on his facebook page and the only way one can see the comment now is on the individuals youtube comment section in the second page at
http://www.youtube.com/TVPActivismIsrael )


14. Speaking about Peter Joseph for being in his early thirties I have noticed over the years that he seems to be dramatically balding. I've never quite seen someone bald that fast at his age, as PJ has a bald spot on the back of his head as well as the front of his crown. I'm wondering in a future RBE society will beauty be defined in other ways to the extent that being bald will be accepted among women in RBE society at an earlier age or maybe it won't even be a problem like it is today with women?

Reference

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/4192/someone-fakes-pic-of-merola-meeting-president-obama/#post-41542

15. Why is it that TZM supporters seem to spam websites more, and are more hostile than TVP supporters?


16. It has recently been found out thanks to the Swedish Press that Douglas Mallette does not work for NASA and his credentials have come into question as well as his current project which is called "Cybernated Farm Systems". In response to this Douglas Mallette was kicked out of two Swedish lecture events because of the findings. I'm wondering in a RBE society will con-artists and frauds be a thing of the past?


References

Doug "The Annihilator" Mallette Exposed in Swedish Press.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5249/doug-the-annihilator-mallette-exposed-in-swedish-press/#0

My Response to the Douglas Mallette Sweden Lecture Controversy. (UPDATED!)
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/01/17/my-response-to-the-douglas-mallette-sweden-lecture-controversy/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-douglas-mallette-exposed-by-swedish-media/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-nasa-scientist-douglas-mallette-and-cybernated-farm-systems-exposed/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-sweden-tour-cancelled-ornskoldsvik-lectures-due-to-scandal/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/douglas-mallette-blames-paid-disinformation-agents-for-his-embarrassing-outing-in-sweden/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/working-with-the-zeitgeist-movement-could-cost-you-custody-of-your-children/

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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 29, 2012 - 01:17
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Just got these finished will be sending this off to TVP. A lot of the question did not come from SP this time but from other contact mediums as well. Unsure if TVP will answer them all but we'll see.


1. Is the main motivation for wanting an RBE society so people do not have to work?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#0


2. Peer-review is one of the main pillars of scientific research, so why aren't there any peer-reviewed articles published by TVP?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-36424302


3. What do you think of Soylent Green?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-2ecf67f0

Soylent Green is... Poop?
http://www.jungleapocalypse.com/featured/soylent-green-is-poop/


4. Can TVP explain in detail what an RBE is, how it will work, and how it will make life better for everyone as opposed to the current systematic economic structure of modern societies?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-a57f9254

5. Will anything happen on Dec 21, 2012?

References
http://www.2012doomsday.com/


6. Who came up with the resource based economy?


7. In a RBE society could their be a possibility that war can still happen if not by internal forces then by external forces (EX: Aliens)? If things cannot be settled diplomatically using reason and logic with another civilization, can a RBE society then justify the means of war on a civilization that has a different set of values and morals which are that their civilizations is only out to loot plundered resources from a RBE society?


8. If war could happen with another civilization that threatened a RBE societies way of life then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the RBE society to continue the development of weapons just in case something were to occur?


9. What type of weapons would a RBE society be allowed to use in war?


10. What type of weapons would a RBE society not be allowed to use in war?


11. As robots are more efficient than humans as they can live forever, faster processing speed, do not require sleep or food, no emotions, no sex drive, and can enhance our technological singularity 100 fold; Will all humans eventually turn into robots within a RBE society?

References
Question revolving around mine came up on TVP FAQ 3:
" with the advent of automation, cybernation, and artificial intelligence, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by automated systems."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger

Question revolving around mine came up on TVP FAQ 53:
"AI and machine decision-making will manage all resources serving the common good."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


12. Will a RBE society just happen on a per-planet bases or will it extend to other planets, or maybe other galaxies?


13. I have noticed on the venus project website in the FAQ section of the website question #107 which is " You were once affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement. Why did you split with that?" it showed a nice video about the TVP and TZM split. Do you think the video was pretty accurate as far as TVP's perspective of what happened?

At that Although for the most part I agree with the video I'm wondering why Peter Joseph is so upset with the video as Peter has said on the TZM official facebook page to the maker of the video that

" Peter Joseph [ Official ]
Frankly, I found this spin hilarious. They attack the very person who worked non-stop to bring TVP to public attention for 2 years. Such is the nature? of sheepish, ego driven group identification. Every point made is wrong in this video but it certainly sounds good for the purpose of Ego perpetuation. I will be in Israel in Dec. I challenge TVPActivismIsrael to have the balls to say this cowardly shit to me in person when I am there."


Why is he so upset? Why is Peter not addressing the valid points made in the video? Why is Peter suggesting the maker of the video "get some balls" and "meet him in person" unless Peter wants to starts a physical altercation with this TVP supporter? I personally find the video to be pretty accurate for the most part but I find Peter Joseph's response appalling then again I'm not too surprised based on what he has said in the past.

References

TVP FAQ question 107:
"You were once affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement. Why did you split with that?"
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger

Why did The Venus Project part ways with The Zeitgeist Movement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJbRM46tltI

Peter Josephs comment on it. Someone had copy/pasted Peter's facebook comment on this individuals youtube page on the second page.
http://www.youtube.com/TVPActivismIsrael )


14. Speaking about Peter Joseph for being in his early thirties I have noticed over the years that he seems to be dramatically balding. I've never quite seen someone bald that fast at his age, as PJ has a bald spot on the back of his head as well as the front of his crown. I'm wondering in a future RBE society will beauty be defined in other ways to the extent that being bald will be accepted among women in RBE society at an earlier age or maybe it won't even be a problem like it is in today's society with women?

Reference
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/4192/someone-fakes-pic-of-merola-meeting-president-obama/#post-41542


15. Why is it that TZM supporters seem to spam websites more, and are more hostile than TVP supporters?

References
Z-Rush a type of spamming TZM implemented on websites in advertizing.
http://www.zeitgeistmediaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:global-z-rush-&catid=5:visualmedia&Itemid=2

Confronting The Top 10 Canned Responses to Criticisms of the Zeitgeist Movement
http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/typical-responses-from-members-of-the-zeitgeist-movement/


16. It has recently been found out thanks to the Swedish Press that Douglas Mallette does not work for NASA and his credentials have come into question as well as his current project which is called "Cybernated Farm Systems". In response to this Douglas Mallette was kicked out of two Swedish lecture events without pay because of the findings. I'm wondering in a RBE society will con-artists and frauds be a thing of the past?


References
Doug "The Annihilator" Mallette Exposed in Swedish Press.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5249/doug-the-annihilator-mallette-exposed-in-swedish-press/#0

My Response to the Douglas Mallette Sweden Lecture Controversy. (UPDATED!)
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/01/17/my-response-to-the-douglas-mallette-sweden-lecture-controversy/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-douglas-mallette-exposed-by-swedish-media/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-nasa-scientist-douglas-mallette-and-cybernated-farm-systems-exposed/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-sweden-tour-cancelled-ornskoldsvik-lectures-due-to-scandal/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/douglas-mallette-blames-paid-disinformation-agents-for-his-embarrassing-outing-in-sweden/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/working-with-the-zeitgeist-movement-could-cost-you-custody-of-your-children/


17. What do you think about Newt Gingrich wanting to build a moonbase?

Reference
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/newt-says-lunar-base-challenge-for-a-big-country-112676.html


18. Will polygamy be allowed in a RBE society?

References
TVP FAQ #106:
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


19. Can you explain how constructive criticism is important and maybe give an example? Should one take constructive criticism personally?

References
FAQ number 44 bottom paragraph:
" The system also welcomes constructive criticism of its proposals, architecture, and all other aspects of the social system."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


20. During a transitional process will their be a government? If so how will this government function and who will be appointed to carry out such a function during the TVP transitional period into a RBE?

References

Question 52 on TVP FAQ: "As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage"
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


21. What are your thoughts on labels in this case individuals who call other individuals internet trolls.

References
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

Karma Tinfoil calls Muertos a troll for no reason.
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/01/28/from-the-lol-file-a-conspiracy-theorists-amusing-about-face/


22. Can you explain more in depth who will make decisions in the transitional period and in when eventually it becomes a RBE society?

References
TVP FAQ 65 "No one does. The process of arriving at decisions in this economy would not be based upon the opinions of politicians, corporate, or national interests but rather all decisions would be arrived at based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


23. During the transition from a monetary based society to a resource-based society many of the older patterns will still prevail from a monetary base society. I was wondering what old patterns will still prevail from a monetary based society and what old patterns will disappear from a monetary based society during the transition?

References
TVP FAQ #81:
"During the transition from a monetary based society to a resource-based society many of the older patterns will still prevail."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


24. I saw a question on TVP FAQ #90 that talked about if countries participated in a project called common heritage, that these countries would gain advantages from joining the project. I'm wondering if you could elaborate more as to what project common heritage is about, and how it will advance all nations?

References
TVP FAQ #90:
"90. How will people get along in the Middle East? How will the question of religion be resolved?"
"In a resource there is material gain for everyone if their country participates in a project called common heritage which will advance all nations. Those that refuse to participate will miss the advantages gained."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


25. If TVP were in a position of power to make the transition happen, could you elaborate more as to the type of power TVP needs for a transition to happen as well as how the transitional period would be implemented?

TVP FAQ #98:
"At this stage we are not in a position of power in order to make a transition."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger



26.If I want to have sex with a woman and that woman doesn't want to have sex with me, how would we resolve that problem within TVP society?
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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 29, 2012 - 14:16
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I didn't send in the questions fast enough so I'll revise the question and send them in next week.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 10:38
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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I'm ready for the Q&A today. I will be putting up these questions ASAP, as soon as they open the google platform to do it. I may revise questions as I think there is a limit to the amount of character a individual can put into the google text box. Been a few weeks in the making but I'm going to get to this.


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1. Is the main motivation for wanting an RBE society so people do not have to work?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#0


2. Peer-review is one of the main pillars of scientific research, so why aren't there any peer-reviewed articles published by TVP?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-36424302


3. What do you think of Soylent Green?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-2ecf67f0

Soylent Green is... Poop?
http://www.jungleapocalypse.com/featured/soylent-green-is-poop/


4. Can TVP explain in detail what an RBE is, how it will work, and how it will make life better for everyone as opposed to the current systematic economic structure of modern societies?

References
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-a57f9254

5. Will anything happen on Dec 21, 2012?

References
http://www.2012doomsday.com/


6. Who came up with the resource based economy?


7. In a RBE society could their be a possibility that war can still happen if not by internal forces then by external forces (EX: Aliens)? If things cannot be settled diplomatically using reason and logic with another civilization, can a RBE society then justify the means of war on a civilization that has a different set of values and morals which are that their civilizations is only out to loot plundered resources from a RBE society?



8. If war could happen with another civilization that threatened a RBE societies way of life then wouldn't it be in the best interest of the RBE society to continue the development of weapons just in case something were to occur?


9. What type of weapons would a RBE society be allowed to use in war?


10. What type of weapons would a RBE society not be allowed to use in war?


11. As robots are more efficient than humans as they can live forever, faster processing speed, do not require sleep or food, no emotions, no sex drive, and can enhance our technological singularity 100 fold; Will all humans eventually turn into robots within a RBE society?

References
Question revolving around mine came up on TVP FAQ 3:
" with the advent of automation, cybernation, and artificial intelligence, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by automated systems."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger

Question revolving around mine came up on TVP FAQ 53:
"AI and machine decision-making will manage all resources serving the common good."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


12. Will a RBE society just happen on a per-planet bases or will it extend to other planets, or maybe other galaxies?


13. I have noticed on the venus project website in the FAQ section of the website question #107 which is " You were once affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement. Why did you split with that?" it showed a nice video about the TVP and TZM split. Do you think the video was pretty accurate as far as TVP's perspective of what happened?



At that Although for the most part I agree with the video I'm wondering why Peter Joseph is so upset with the video as Peter has said on the TZM official facebook page to the maker of the video that

" Peter Joseph [ Official ]
Frankly, I found this spin hilarious. They attack the very person who worked non-stop to bring TVP to public attention for 2 years. Such is the nature? of sheepish, ego driven group identification. Every point made is wrong in this video but it certainly sounds good for the purpose of Ego perpetuation. I will be in Israel in Dec. I challenge TVPActivismIsrael to have the balls to say this cowardly shit to me in person when I am there."


Why is he so upset? Why is Peter not addressing the valid points made in the video? Why is Peter suggesting the maker of the video "get some balls" and "meet him in person" unless Peter wants to starts a physical altercation with this TVP supporter? I personally find the video to be pretty accurate for the most part but I find Peter Joseph's response appalling then again I'm not too surprised based on what he has said in the past.

References

TVP FAQ question 107:
"You were once affiliated with The Zeitgeist Movement. Why did you split with that?"
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger

Why did The Venus Project part ways with The Zeitgeist Movement?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJbRM46tltI

Peter Josephs comment on it. Someone had copy/pasted Peter's facebook comment on this individuals youtube page on the second page.
http://www.youtube.com/TVPActivismIsrael )




14. Speaking about Peter Joseph for being in his early thirties I have noticed over the years that he seems to be dramatically balding. I've never quite seen someone bald that fast at his age, as PJ has a bald spot on the back of his head as well as the front of his crown. I'm wondering in a future RBE society will beauty be defined in other ways to the extent that being bald will be accepted among women in RBE society at an earlier age or maybe it won't even be a problem like it is in today's society with women?

Reference
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/4192/someone-fakes-pic-of-merola-meeting-president-obama/#post-41542


15. Why is it that TZM supporters seem to spam websites more, and are more hostile than TVP supporters?

References
Z-Rush a type of spamming TZM implemented on websites in advertizing.
http://www.zeitgeistmediaproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1315:global-z-rush-&catid=5:visualmedia&Itemid=2

Confronting The Top 10 Canned Responses to Criticisms of the Zeitgeist Movement
http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/typical-responses-from-members-of-the-zeitgeist-movement/


16. It has been found out thanks to the Swedish Press that Douglas Mallette does not work for NASA and his credentials have come into question as well as his current project which is called "Cybernated Farm Systems". In response to this Douglas Mallette was kicked out of two Swedish lecture events without pay because of the findings. I'm wondering in a RBE society will con-artists and frauds be a thing of the past?


References
Doug "The Annihilator" Mallette Exposed in Swedish Press.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5249/doug-the-annihilator-mallette-exposed-in-swedish-press/#0

My Response to the Douglas Mallette Sweden Lecture Controversy. (UPDATED!)
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/01/17/my-response-to-the-douglas-mallette-sweden-lecture-controversy/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-douglas-mallette-exposed-by-swedish-media/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-nasa-scientist-douglas-mallette-and-cybernated-farm-systems-exposed/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/zeitgeist-movements-sweden-tour-cancelled-ornskoldsvik-lectures-due-to-scandal/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/douglas-mallette-blames-paid-disinformation-agents-for-his-embarrassing-outing-in-sweden/

http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/working-with-the-zeitgeist-movement-could-cost-you-custody-of-your-children/


17. What do you think about Newt Gingrich wanting to build a moonbase?

Reference
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/newt-says-lunar-base-challenge-for-a-big-country-112676.html


18. Will polygamy be allowed in a RBE society?

References
TVP FAQ #106:
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


19. Can you explain how constructive criticism is important and maybe give an example? Should one take constructive criticism personally?

References
FAQ number 44 bottom paragraph:
" The system also welcomes constructive criticism of its proposals, architecture, and all other aspects of the social system."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


20. During a transitional process will their be a government? If so how will this government function and who will be appointed to carry out such a function during the TVP transitional period into a RBE?

References

Question 52 on TVP FAQ: "As to the need for government, only during the transition from a monetary based society to a cybernated high-technological resource based economy of common heritage"
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


21. What are your thoughts on labels in this case individuals who call other individuals internet trolls.

References
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

Karma Tinfoil calls Muertos a troll for no reason.
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/01/28/from-the-lol-file-a-conspiracy-theorists-amusing-about-face/


22. Can you explain more in depth who will make decisions in the transitional period and in when eventually it becomes a RBE society?

References
TVP FAQ 65 "No one does. The process of arriving at decisions in this economy would not be based upon the opinions of politicians, corporate, or national interests but rather all decisions would be arrived at based upon the introduction of newer technologies and Earth's carrying capacity."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


23. During the transition from a monetary based society to a resource-based society many of the older patterns will still prevail from a monetary base society. I was wondering what old patterns will still prevail from a monetary based society and what old patterns will disappear from a monetary based society during the transition?

References
TVP FAQ #81:
"During the transition from a monetary based society to a resource-based society many of the older patterns will still prevail."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


24. I saw a question on TVP FAQ #90 that talked about if countries participated in a project called common heritage, that these countries would gain advantages from joining the project. I'm wondering if you could elaborate more as to what project common heritage is about, and how it will advance all nations?

References
TVP FAQ #90:
"90. How will people get along in the Middle East? How will the question of religion be resolved?"
"In a resource there is material gain for everyone if their country participates in a project called common heritage which will advance all nations. Those that refuse to participate will miss the advantages gained."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger


25. If TVP were in a position of power to make the transition happen, could you elaborate more as to the type of power TVP needs for a transition to happen as well as how the transitional period would be implemented?

TVP FAQ #98:
"At this stage we are not in a position of power in order to make a transition."
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/faq?lang=en&font-size=larger



26. If I want to have sex with a woman and that woman doesn't want to have sex with me, how would we resolve that problem within TVP society?


27. How is finding a script writer to write the TVP Big Budget Movie going?

28. Are you advertising for a script writer for the TVP big budget movie? If so what places online are you advertising for this script writer position besides the TVP website?

29. What is the criteria for finding a script writer for the big budget movie?

30. In recent events Peter Joseph has decided to goad a TZM critic by the name of Stacy McCain into a debate by calling this person a coward and advocating TZM members to send messages to this person for a debate on Peters radio show as this individual wrote a piece about TZM called. What do you think of critics towards TVP as well as the tactics Peter is using towards his own critics of TZM?

Reference
http://tinyurl.com/7duurul
http://tinyurl.com/7f3kcu7



31. How do you or a TVP member deal with critics towards TVP?
reference
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-503a6a96


32. Will you make a twitter account strictly dedicated to informing people about the TVP big budget movie?
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 12:53
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Anybody bored and want to put down a question for the TVP Q&A do it now before the lecture ends.

http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1b045b&t=1b045b.51
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 13:33
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Just worked my butt off to get all the questions up. I got them all in. A 250 character limit made me have to revise some of the questions as well as this google platform does not allow a person to put down a question similar to another.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 14:13
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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CS Original
OK sat through the meeting TVP Q&A they didn't answer all the question but the answered some of them. I will continue to put the unanswered questions up for next week.

Questioned answered in TVP Q&A 6.17.2012

question 22 answered

question 20 answered

question 24 answered

question 13 answered

question 25 answered

question 4 answered ( didn't really answer it just said to buy the book "best that money can buy")


question 3 answered

question 21 answered

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unanswered questions.

1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, 26
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emcadaPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 20:32
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Quote from 2012 CT



question 4 answered ( didn't really answer it just said to buy the book "best that money can buy")



You don't happen to have the audio of the lecture do you? Because I did a google search for the title and got a book written by fresco himself, and a book written by Anthony C Sutton. I'd like to know which book he's referring too.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 21:37
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Quote from emcada

Quote from 2012 CT



question 4 answered ( didn't really answer it just said to buy the book "best that money can buy")



You don't happen to have the audio of the lecture do you? Because I did a google search for the title and got a book written by fresco himself, and a book written by Anthony C Sutton. I'd like to know which book he's referring too.


Yes they have a recording of the lecture I'll will post it up asap.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 17, 2012 - 21:41
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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CS Original
Found the site where they keep the Q&A recordings but it really looks a bit unorganized. I do not see the 6/17/2012 recording up there so far but maybe in a few days it'll pop up. I'll keep checking back and see if it gets posted up there

http://thevenusproject.minus.com/

http://thevenusproject.minus.com/thevenusproject/uploads
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Evil ElvisPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 01:38
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STFU!

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robots wiping our asses, killing all surplus humans in order to achieve balance for the worthy few - that is all anyone needs to know about TVP. but i would ask them one question: how silly do you people feel when guys like me (and everyone else really) ask you what your results are - you draw your little pictures and write millions of blog posts and have no tangible results or recommendations even?
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anticultistPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 06:22
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Brainwashing you for money

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CS Original
Quote from emcada

Quote from 2012 CT



question 4 answered ( didn't really answer it just said to buy the book "best that money can buy")



You don't happen to have the audio of the lecture do you? Because I did a google search for the title and got a book written by fresco himself, and a book written by Anthony C Sutton. I'd like to know which book he's referring too.



The book he is referring to is a book he co wrote with an ex sociocyberneering member [that's the old venus project incarnation]. It has had a few different setups over the 35 years but has always been about Jacque making the money and owning the land.

He is basically asking you to buy a book he is selling for 40 dollars or something to find out what his answer may be. In the end it's nothing you can't find across 300 repeated you tube videos, not worth spending a cent on that shit.
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emcadaPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 15:40
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Quote from anticultist



The book he is referring to is a book he co wrote with an ex sociocyberneering member [that's the old venus project incarnation]. It has had a few different setups over the 35 years but has always been about Jacque making the money and owning the land.

He is basically asking you to buy a book he is selling for 40 dollars or something to find out what his answer may be. In the end it's nothing you can't find across 300 repeated you tube videos, not worth spending a cent on that shit.


I think I found it. It sounds almost exactly like the one you're referring too. I was able to find it for free online because I most certainly am not going to waste $40 on a book. After reading it, I'm glad I found it online
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CyborgJesusPosted: Jun 18, 2012 - 20:22
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Read it shortly after I joined. Nice sentiments, but strongly unpragmatic and somewhat scientifically - and certainly economically - illiterate. I would've embraced a chance to discuss it as a starting point, but TVP seems more interested in gospel than science.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 24, 2012 - 06:26
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Going to put down some more of the questions. When I was rechecking the google platform page (had to remove the question not answered or I could not repost them in new Q&A) I found a question made by PeterJ from California. I'm under the impression it's Peter Joseph posting a question during the Q&A at around 11:00am (PST time). Clicked on the name so far just two question posted by Peter. Although I found my question about Peter Joseph balding more interesting.

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"If the TVP version of RBE promotes the most intelligent designs possible, why does TVP currently have pseudo-intellectual officials who insist about Résumé applications to join teams, when they aren't knowledgeable to judge the Résumé to begin with?"
Peter J., California - TVP Seminar #39 - 2012-04-29 Share ▼


"Jacque, don't you agree that there are similarities between "RBE/TVP will work when all people are willing to contribute resources" with "Communism will work when all people are willing to contribute work"? (from each his ability, to each his need)"
Peter J., California - TVP Seminar #46 - 2012-06-17 Share ▼



"I have noticed over the years that Peter Joseph in his early thirties seems to be dramatically balding. I'm wondering in a future RBE society will beauty be defined in other ways? Could bald be be accepted as being attractive in a RBE society?"
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 24, 2012 - 12:46
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Added three more questions


27. How is finding a script writer to write the TVP Big Budget Movie going?

28. Are you advertising for a script writer for the TVP big budget movie? If so what places online are you advertising for this script writer position besides the TVP website?

29. What is the criteria for finding a script writer for the big budget movie?
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 24, 2012 - 12:59
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Fresco and Rox will not be there so someone else will answer them. I suppose I'll be asking the same questions next week.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 24, 2012 - 14:24
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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They answered some question but It wasn't Fresco/Roxanne answering them so I'll reask next week.

answered questions

question 27

question 19

question 9

question 18

question 28

question 29

question 17 (Will not be asked the answered i pretty well.)

question 5
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The Burger KingPosted: Jul 01, 2012 - 05:04
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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OK I may be there for the meeting today if everything works out. I'll put down the rest of the questions that still need to be answered by Roxanne and Fresco Q&A.
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The Burger KingPosted: Jul 01, 2012 - 12:12
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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Questions that will be asked (look above to relate number below with question above)

8, 15, 19, 2, 18, 23, 16, 12, 11, 1, 14, 9/10 (two for 1 question), 5,
28, 7, NEW 30, 31

Questions that will not be asked again do to the answer was satisfied and does not need to be viewed by Roxanne and Fresco or something else. (look above to relate number below with question above)

27, 29, 17



New Question.

30. In recent events Peter Joseph has decided to goad a TZM critic by the name of Stacy McCain into a debate by calling this person a coward and advocating TZM members to send messages to this person for a debate on Peters radio show as this individual wrote a piece about TZM called. What do you think of critics towards TVP as well as the tactics Peter is using towards his own critics of TZM?

ref
http://tinyurl.com/7duurul
http://tinyurl.com/7f3kcu7


NEW 31. How do you or a TVP member deal with critics towards TVP?
reference
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5262/tvp-faq-this-coming-sunday-3/#reply-503a6a96


New question 32. Will you make a twitter account strictly dedicated to informing people about the TVP big budget movie?
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