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AUSTISTIC SKEPTIC: Most Famous comments from youtubers. (AT responds to youtube comments)
Author: Clock
Date: Apr 02, 2013 at 09:53
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BY AUTISTIC SKEPTIC
I am Clock, I am not the author of this article, I am simply reposting it as the authors blog went down.
Repeat, I am not Autistic Skeptic
Please enjoy,
Clock
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By: Autistic Skeptic
2013 Corrections By: Clock
Here are some famous comments from deluded youtubers.
How does a YouTube video prove anything??? Not that it's important.
By the way , Operation Barbarossa failed because of the Russian Winter .
Okay, You are Using a Non sequitr. Saying ."After 9/11 , the whole world went on paranoid alert . Therefore , anyone who pops their head up , is liable to get it shot off !" is like saying, After I tried to commit suicide, The family went on paranoid alert, Therefore, Anyone who makes fun of me is liable to get expelled!" Then you move on to another irrelevant point by saying 'People in power , all secret societies , religious groups , banks and governments , are under constant scrutiny . Anyone who steps out of line or does anything suspicious , will be brought to justice and punished accordingly ' Well, How come so many 'whistle-blowers' Are doing JUST THAT??? That part of the comment had nothing to do with my statement WHATSOEVER! Then, You throw in a THIRD irrelevant point:'The Nazionists ARE preparing for the 3rd Reich . The New Jerusalem !' 'Nazionism' had nothing to do with anything I stated. Throwing in a red herring will NOT work, My friend. Better luck next time. Why would you associate Nazis with Jews when they HATED eachother, Does not look logical to me.
This one goes.
[ctquote]LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! now remind me you wrote this to me in a few days when i actually have the time and actually give a fuck to respond to it.
from briefly looking over your post, i can already say this.
you make a hell of a lot of assumptions!!! (like usual) [/ctquote]
like i said remind me in a few days, and i will gladly clean this mess up and prove point for point why you are wrong, but right now i need to tend to my business.
[later...]
[ctquote]Only people who want to believe this garbage do so. Youtube videos are not a form of research. They are cooked propaganda films. The only Sheeple are the believers of this FEMA conspiracy crap. It's all paranoid right wing anti United Nations propaganda from Neo Nazi groups created in the 70′s. There are many books about it. There have been authors like William Guy Carr and others who have been accused of fabricating grand conspiracy ideas throughout the last 30 years. It's all anti Zionist propaganda dealing with banking families being in control of everyone behind the curtain. Sure there are powerful people who control politics, the Kotch brothers are a prime example and the banking families have had their spots of influence and power but there is not a particular race of humans who are satanic hell bent on creating totalitarian world communism. The Illuminati is not in control of president Obama anymore than the royal families of Europe are reptilian shape shifters controlling us.
Ps these right wing conspiracy theory's are my favorite hobby. They are a fairytale created by paranoid delusional sociopaths.
WHY AMERICA IS NOT A POLICE STATE![/ctquote]
A. Lack of meaningful access to the courts. I would have to say this is the #1 characteristic of a repressive society, as well as the top thing you can point to that proves we aren't there yet. Every single day, someone in America sues the government (whether federal or state). Every single day, somewhere in America, a court rules against the government and in favor of a private citizen. Government agencies are often enjoined from taking actions, or forced to pay damages, or otherwise compelled to take actions by independent courts at various levels. This would NEVER happen in a true police state. If you look at true police states such as Nazi Germany, USSR, North Korea, etc., you will see that their court systems are very weak and pathetic and don't do very much. By contrast, American courtrooms are full all the time, and I'm not just talking about criminal cases where the government prosecutes an individual citizen.
B. Repressive actions are routinely experienced by ordinary people in the normal course of their lives and are not out of the ordinary. I like to ask conspiracy theorists, how many people they personally know have been detailed without trial in America? How many people do they personally know who have been prosecuted under the PATRIOT Act? How many people do they personally know who have been executed or forcibly relocated? In a true police state you wouldn't read about repression and persecution on the Internet. It would happen to you, to your husband or wife, to your kids, to your friends. You could rattle off the names of people personally known to you who have been personally harmed by the government (and not just traffic tickets or TSA searches). Read the accounts of anyone who lived in Nazi Germany or the USSR and you will instantly see that the repressive presence was everywhere all the time. If you don't personally know someone who has been detained without trial, you don't live in a police state.
C. People want to stop you from leaving the country. This is another question I like to ask conspiracy theorists-how many people are desperately trying to flee the United States, and how much trouble are they encountering in doing it? Answer: virtually no one, and not very much. A characteristic of police states is that people want to get out and they'll do anything to accomplish it. That was why the Berlin Wall got built, but it didn't help much-people were willing to cross barbed wire under machine guns to get out of East Berlin. Conversely, unless you're a fugitive from justice, no one will care if you want to leave the US. In a true police state, ordinary people would have a very hard time leaving the country. This is simply not true of the US. You can walk across the border at El Paso or San Ysidro into Mexico and literally not a single officer will stop you. This would absolutely not happen in a police state.
D. No free media. Conspiracy theorists have no idea what media repression really is. The fact that Alex Jones and his fans can say whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, proves we don't live in a police state. If we did, you'd have to take extreme measures just to find a website that isn't government run. SOPA, PIPA and the other Internet acts that were recently proposed (and NOT passed, I might add!) would not have even come close to creating the type of media censorship that you would see in a real police state. In a real police state, there would be like 2 or 3 channels on TV and it would be illegal to access more. Not only would the web be behind a central firewall, but probably individual computers would have to be licensed by the government. (In the USSR and Soviet bloc, typewriters had to be licensed by the government, so the secret police could trace the source of subversive literature. It's much easier to license and trace a computer than it is a typewriter).
E. Major shortages of consumer goods. This sounds trivial but it's not. When was the last time you went to the store and had a hard time buying meat? When was the last time you had to stand in line for a specific consumer good, like shoes or toilet paper? Is there a black market for "good" stuff that is ordinarily hard to get? I'm not aware of a single example of a real police state where there weren't severe shortages, black market economies, etc. This is partly because most police states tend to control their economies centrally, but also because makers of top notch products don't want to to business directly in countries like these. One trip to Costco should be able to convince anyone that America is not a police state. This isn't likely to make sense to conspiracy theorists, but history shows us it's mostly true. (This will be in my debunking blog later)
[ctquote]LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! now remind me you wrote this to me in a few days when i actually have the time and actually give a fuck to respond to it [/ctquote]
First off, Did I curse at you? No, I just sent you a comment. You went in and cursed at me, and do you think that anything else than what you believe is propaganda? more importantly do you even QUESTION your beliefs? No. did you even research what I said researching both sides? No. you just called me out over pure facts.
[ctquote]"from briefly looking over your post, i can already say this.
you make a hell of a lot of assumptions!!! (like usual) [/ctquote]
Yes and No, My assumptions are not entirely unrooted in fact. If you look up your history (not just the history that agrees with you), you might actually learn something. Note Briefly, You did not look over my post thoroughly enough and then made the claim:" LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! " You did not read it thoroughly enough to see what I was actually trying to say. if you read it more carefully than you did, you might see my point.
[ctquote]like i said remind me in a few days, and i will gladly clean this mess up and prove point for point why you are wrong, [/ctquote]
Yeah, NOT going to bother... You'll just give me regurgitations of common truther theories.
BY AUTISTIC SKEPTIC
I am Clock, I am not the author of this article, I am simply reposting it as the authors blog went down.
Repeat, I am not Autistic Skeptic
Please enjoy,
Clock
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By: Autistic Skeptic
2013 Corrections By: Clock
Here are some famous comments from deluded youtubers.
My friend I watched the Bin Laden 'confession' video. You don't even get to hear his original speech in Arabic. What you get is a translator 'translating' him. Its like putting a voice to a dummy, Osama could have been talking about ANYTHING at that time and they dubbed the translator's voice over since you can't hear the original Arabic that confession is worthless. BBC admits that CIA created Al Queda in their documentary here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QGhY6oY3O0911 = inside job
"How does a YouTube video prove anything??? Not that it's important.
"After 9/11 , the whole world went on paranoid alert . Therefore , anyone who pops their head up , is liable to get it shot off ! People in power , all secret societies , religious groups , banks and governments , are under constant scrutiny . Anyone who steps out of line or does anything suspicious , will be brought to justice and punished accordingly.
By the way , Operation Barbarossa failed because of the Russian Winter .
The Nazionists ARE preparing for the 3rd Reich . The New Jerusalem !"
[Okay, You are Using a Non sequitr. Saying ."After 9/11 , the whole world went on paranoid alert . Therefore , anyone who pops their head up , is liable to get it shot off !" is like saying, After I tried to commit suicide, The family went on paranoid alert, Therefore, Anyone who makes fun of me is liable to get expelled!" Then you move on to another irrelevant point by saying 'People in power , all secret societies , religious groups , banks and governments , are under constant scrutiny . Anyone who steps out of line or does anything suspicious , will be brought to justice and punished accordingly ' Well, How come so many 'whistle-blowers' Are doing JUST THAT??? That part of the comment had nothing to do with my statement WHATSOEVER! Then, You throw in a THIRD irrelevant point:'The Nazionists ARE preparing for the 3rd Reich . The New Jerusalem !' 'Nazionism' had nothing to do with anything I stated. Throwing in a red herring will NOT work, My friend. Better luck next time. Why would you associate Nazis with Jews when they HATED eachother, Does not look logical to me.
This one goes.
[ctquote]LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! now remind me you wrote this to me in a few days when i actually have the time and actually give a fuck to respond to it.
from briefly looking over your post, i can already say this.
you make a hell of a lot of assumptions!!! (like usual) [/ctquote]
like i said remind me in a few days, and i will gladly clean this mess up and prove point for point why you are wrong, but right now i need to tend to my business.
[later...]
[ctquote]Only people who want to believe this garbage do so. Youtube videos are not a form of research. They are cooked propaganda films. The only Sheeple are the believers of this FEMA conspiracy crap. It's all paranoid right wing anti United Nations propaganda from Neo Nazi groups created in the 70′s. There are many books about it. There have been authors like William Guy Carr and others who have been accused of fabricating grand conspiracy ideas throughout the last 30 years. It's all anti Zionist propaganda dealing with banking families being in control of everyone behind the curtain. Sure there are powerful people who control politics, the Kotch brothers are a prime example and the banking families have had their spots of influence and power but there is not a particular race of humans who are satanic hell bent on creating totalitarian world communism. The Illuminati is not in control of president Obama anymore than the royal families of Europe are reptilian shape shifters controlling us.
Ps these right wing conspiracy theory's are my favorite hobby. They are a fairytale created by paranoid delusional sociopaths.
WHY AMERICA IS NOT A POLICE STATE![/ctquote]
A. Lack of meaningful access to the courts. I would have to say this is the #1 characteristic of a repressive society, as well as the top thing you can point to that proves we aren't there yet. Every single day, someone in America sues the government (whether federal or state). Every single day, somewhere in America, a court rules against the government and in favor of a private citizen. Government agencies are often enjoined from taking actions, or forced to pay damages, or otherwise compelled to take actions by independent courts at various levels. This would NEVER happen in a true police state. If you look at true police states such as Nazi Germany, USSR, North Korea, etc., you will see that their court systems are very weak and pathetic and don't do very much. By contrast, American courtrooms are full all the time, and I'm not just talking about criminal cases where the government prosecutes an individual citizen.
B. Repressive actions are routinely experienced by ordinary people in the normal course of their lives and are not out of the ordinary. I like to ask conspiracy theorists, how many people they personally know have been detailed without trial in America? How many people do they personally know who have been prosecuted under the PATRIOT Act? How many people do they personally know who have been executed or forcibly relocated? In a true police state you wouldn't read about repression and persecution on the Internet. It would happen to you, to your husband or wife, to your kids, to your friends. You could rattle off the names of people personally known to you who have been personally harmed by the government (and not just traffic tickets or TSA searches). Read the accounts of anyone who lived in Nazi Germany or the USSR and you will instantly see that the repressive presence was everywhere all the time. If you don't personally know someone who has been detained without trial, you don't live in a police state.
C. People want to stop you from leaving the country. This is another question I like to ask conspiracy theorists-how many people are desperately trying to flee the United States, and how much trouble are they encountering in doing it? Answer: virtually no one, and not very much. A characteristic of police states is that people want to get out and they'll do anything to accomplish it. That was why the Berlin Wall got built, but it didn't help much-people were willing to cross barbed wire under machine guns to get out of East Berlin. Conversely, unless you're a fugitive from justice, no one will care if you want to leave the US. In a true police state, ordinary people would have a very hard time leaving the country. This is simply not true of the US. You can walk across the border at El Paso or San Ysidro into Mexico and literally not a single officer will stop you. This would absolutely not happen in a police state.
D. No free media. Conspiracy theorists have no idea what media repression really is. The fact that Alex Jones and his fans can say whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, proves we don't live in a police state. If we did, you'd have to take extreme measures just to find a website that isn't government run. SOPA, PIPA and the other Internet acts that were recently proposed (and NOT passed, I might add!) would not have even come close to creating the type of media censorship that you would see in a real police state. In a real police state, there would be like 2 or 3 channels on TV and it would be illegal to access more. Not only would the web be behind a central firewall, but probably individual computers would have to be licensed by the government. (In the USSR and Soviet bloc, typewriters had to be licensed by the government, so the secret police could trace the source of subversive literature. It's much easier to license and trace a computer than it is a typewriter).
E. Major shortages of consumer goods. This sounds trivial but it's not. When was the last time you went to the store and had a hard time buying meat? When was the last time you had to stand in line for a specific consumer good, like shoes or toilet paper? Is there a black market for "good" stuff that is ordinarily hard to get? I'm not aware of a single example of a real police state where there weren't severe shortages, black market economies, etc. This is partly because most police states tend to control their economies centrally, but also because makers of top notch products don't want to to business directly in countries like these. One trip to Costco should be able to convince anyone that America is not a police state. This isn't likely to make sense to conspiracy theorists, but history shows us it's mostly true. (This will be in my debunking blog later)
[ctquote]LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! now remind me you wrote this to me in a few days when i actually have the time and actually give a fuck to respond to it [/ctquote]
First off, Did I curse at you? No, I just sent you a comment. You went in and cursed at me, and do you think that anything else than what you believe is propaganda? more importantly do you even QUESTION your beliefs? No. did you even research what I said researching both sides? No. you just called me out over pure facts.
[ctquote]"from briefly looking over your post, i can already say this.
you make a hell of a lot of assumptions!!! (like usual) [/ctquote]
Yes and No, My assumptions are not entirely unrooted in fact. If you look up your history (not just the history that agrees with you), you might actually learn something. Note Briefly, You did not look over my post thoroughly enough and then made the claim:" LOL what did you do copy and paste that from your favorite propaganda site? good job!!! " You did not read it thoroughly enough to see what I was actually trying to say. if you read it more carefully than you did, you might see my point.
[ctquote]like i said remind me in a few days, and i will gladly clean this mess up and prove point for point why you are wrong, [/ctquote]
Yeah, NOT going to bother... You'll just give me regurgitations of common truther theories.
Debunking New World Order Index by Wake Up America (WORK IN PROGRESS)
Author: Clock
Date: Mar 30, 2013 at 12:46
This article is incomplete. Be aware of the information that you take from here!
Article that I debunked is here : [1]
Claim:
Here is the full quote, thanks to Wikiquote :
Of course, the people at the website of Wake Up America have to quote mine and make the statement fit their view. What Bush Senior was talking about was a world where countries can cooperate with each other and not constantly have to face war. Scroll down and read muertos' article about it here.
Claim:
This is a made up quote. In a quick Wikiquote search, I have found no statements of Bush Senior ever saying this, heck, it is not even considered to be missatributed. [2] A quick search on Google led me to nothing but directories to his website or other conspiracy-minded places.[3] As a result, it is fake.
Then they explain what the New World Order is. Not much bunk here except for the fact that there is a lack of evidence to prove the existence of this theory. [4]+[5]
Claim:
Clock: Something many conspiracy theorists never answer is why does it take many generations to make a plan for this NWO. I mean, how long does it actually take? If the government is so smart in 'slowly but surely' making these secret plans, why are there so many people who know about it? Also, where is this guy getting all of this information? He surely must be part of it all! Yeah there is that whole thing about David Rockefeller and his internationalist ideas like that has been debunked and explained already [6]. It's also important to know that there are some quotes of David actually saying that a one world government is not necessary. [7] Also, how the hell does one combine Capitalism and Communism together? They are 2 completly different political ideologies, that absolutely do not go hand in hand. Capitalism is an economic system in which resources and production are privately made on someone's own terms, and the prices are all based on the competition of free market. [7] Communism refers to everything related to the economy to be owned by a single political party. If Capitalism is about doing anything to make some money privately without the intrusion of the government, and communism being about everything controlled by a government, that is hypocritical and does not work. Also, the Trilateral commision does not have that much power in government, and it certainly not capable of starting a war by sending troops to a certain area.
Claim:
Clock: Again, no reference of him saying anything like this. There have been only 1 or 2 times where Bush Senior has actually said the phrase New World Order.
Claim:
Clock: When has Congress ever said that they wanted to make a NWO? The author here provides no evidence of this, just talk. Of course, if he is talking about George Bush Sr. speech about maknig a "New World Order", Then I strongly suggest to read the whole speech here, to get a clear idea of what it is talking about. Also, what is taking so long for the government to create such plans? They developed many plans in the past in secret such as the Manhattan Project, why can't they suddenly become an Totalitarian government, or create an Orwellian world? Are they waiting for the proper opportunity? They could have easily have executed the plans during the great depression, or in 2008 when the economy was on its knees. Or are they waiting for the completion of FEMA Camps? Well we know that the FEMA camp theory has existed for a very long time now, or maybe they are waiting for all of the burial coffins to be completed? (Not that is is practical)
Also, the only proof that the author of this website seems to be using that would somehow prove NWO to be possible is because people of high power have used the phrase. That's like if a Marine Biologist would talk a lot about Megaladons (an ancient extinct shark creature that precedes the Great White Shark.) would somehow prove that he knows they exist but that he is hiding them from us for some shady purposes.
Claim:
Clock: That is just silly. Again, no evidence of Bush actually saying this but on conspiracy websites. I'm also noticing that this website is very anti-Bush Sr. Not that I particularly care about him (i'm not American) it reminds me a lot of Alex Jones, who jumps from president to president by each calling them the anti-Christ or the destroyers of America.
The "Evil" New World Order "Map"
A section of the website contains an article talking about a so called NWO map, developed in 1941 or 1942. There is a picture of the map from their website here:
I was curious about this map, and I did a bit of research, and I've managed to find the real map itself in high quality, thanks to wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Gomberg_map.jpg Now that we can analyse the proper map, things are starting to make a lot more sense. The map was developed by Maurice Gomberg. It was a proposal of how the world should be distributed following the ending of World War 2, assuming that the Nazi party would fall. The proposal is to "assume[s] world leadership for the establishment of a New Moral Order, for permanent peace, order, justice, security and world reconstruction." It is not to create a huge idea that will unleash hell upon humanity. It does really have a nice message, butt unfortunately it hasn't aged to well, mainly because it completely ignores what would happen following WW2 (the cold war) and contains alot of American ass kissing, such as this new world of peace to be primarily controlled by the USA, to rename Europe as the United States of Europe, South America as the United States of South America, which means that in no means can it be taken seriously. CTers mainly jump on this map because it is approved by the Library of Congress as an Official map, despite the fact that Maurice Gomberg had made it as a personal project and released it independently[11]. Just like George Orwell's 1984, it was more of an idea than fact. Many conspiracy theorists believe that this is proof for a New World Order. However, let's look at this rationally. If the governments of the world were really working on such a map of world domination, would they really release this? Especially at the price they were releasing this (1$)? The only reason this has caught on in the eyes of conspiracy theorists is because that it contains the words "New Moral Order".
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Sources
[1]: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm
[2]: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
[3]: https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Nations+should+develop+and+train+military+units+for+possible+U.N.+peacekeeping+operations.+...+If+multinational+units+are+to+work+together%2C+they+must+train+together.+...+Effective+multinational+action+will+also+require+coordinated+command+%26+control+and+inter-operability+of+both+equipment+and+communications.%22+&rlz=1C1CHWA_enCA511CA511&aq=f&oq=%22Nations+should+develop+and+train+military+units+for+possible+U.N.+peacekeeping+operations.+...+If+multinational+units+are+to+work+together%2C+
[4]: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/global-domination-agenda-debunked/
[5]: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/world-domination-conspiracies-debunked/
[6]: http://metabunk.org/threads/431-Anyone-care-to-debunk-these-quotes
[7]: http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?book=Student&va=capitalism
[8]: http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?book=Student&va=communism
[9]: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
[10]:http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/3430
[11]:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Gomberg_ad.png
Article that I debunked is here : [1]
Claim:
President George Bush in a speech to Congress on SEPTEMBER 11, (9/11) 1990, SAID THIS: "[The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a New World Order can emerge."
Here is the full quote, thanks to Wikiquote :
"Clearly, no longer can a dictator count on East-West confrontation to stymie concerted United Nations action against aggression. A new partnership of nations has begun. And we stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era, freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony."George H. W. Bush
Of course, the people at the website of Wake Up America have to quote mine and make the statement fit their view. What Bush Senior was talking about was a world where countries can cooperate with each other and not constantly have to face war. Scroll down and read muertos' article about it here.
Claim:
In his September 21, 1992 speech to the United Nations, President George Bush announced that foreign troops, would occupy America and train for a New World Order Army. He stated:
"Nations should develop and train military units for possible U.N. peacekeeping operations. ... If multinational units are to work together, they must train together. ... Effective multinational action will also require coordinated command & control and inter-operability of both equipment and communications." New World Order and E.L.F. Psychotronic Tyranny!
This is a made up quote. In a quick Wikiquote search, I have found no statements of Bush Senior ever saying this, heck, it is not even considered to be missatributed. [2] A quick search on Google led me to nothing but directories to his website or other conspiracy-minded places.[3] As a result, it is fake.
Then they explain what the New World Order is. Not much bunk here except for the fact that there is a lack of evidence to prove the existence of this theory. [4]+[5]
Claim:
The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control...Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent. (Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976) In 1981 Congressmen McDonald calls for comprehensive congressional investigation of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Congress is urged to investigate these organizations. Congressman McDonald was killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets in 1983
Clock: Something many conspiracy theorists never answer is why does it take many generations to make a plan for this NWO. I mean, how long does it actually take? If the government is so smart in 'slowly but surely' making these secret plans, why are there so many people who know about it? Also, where is this guy getting all of this information? He surely must be part of it all! Yeah there is that whole thing about David Rockefeller and his internationalist ideas like that has been debunked and explained already [6]. It's also important to know that there are some quotes of David actually saying that a one world government is not necessary. [7] Also, how the hell does one combine Capitalism and Communism together? They are 2 completly different political ideologies, that absolutely do not go hand in hand. Capitalism is an economic system in which resources and production are privately made on someone's own terms, and the prices are all based on the competition of free market. [7] Communism refers to everything related to the economy to be owned by a single political party. If Capitalism is about doing anything to make some money privately without the intrusion of the government, and communism being about everything controlled by a government, that is hypocritical and does not work. Also, the Trilateral commision does not have that much power in government, and it certainly not capable of starting a war by sending troops to a certain area.
Claim:
"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." -- President George Bush (January 1991)
Clock: Again, no reference of him saying anything like this. There have been only 1 or 2 times where Bush Senior has actually said the phrase New World Order.
Claim:
The New World Order program has been on the drawing board for many decades, despite denials and smears from the proponents, the insidious world domination and control preparations continue being set in place, the secretive terms of One World, New World Order, New International Economic Order etc have now been replaced with the more public term of Globalization.
In hundreds of books, articles, and speeches in the 20th century, many influential and powerful people, including many in Congress, have called for a New World Order, and the surrender of U.S. sovereignty and individual freedoms to a one world government, usually involving the U.N. military and the transfer of it to a one world U.N. army.
Clock: When has Congress ever said that they wanted to make a NWO? The author here provides no evidence of this, just talk. Of course, if he is talking about George Bush Sr. speech about maknig a "New World Order", Then I strongly suggest to read the whole speech here, to get a clear idea of what it is talking about. Also, what is taking so long for the government to create such plans? They developed many plans in the past in secret such as the Manhattan Project, why can't they suddenly become an Totalitarian government, or create an Orwellian world? Are they waiting for the proper opportunity? They could have easily have executed the plans during the great depression, or in 2008 when the economy was on its knees. Or are they waiting for the completion of FEMA Camps? Well we know that the FEMA camp theory has existed for a very long time now, or maybe they are waiting for all of the burial coffins to be completed? (Not that is is practical)
Also, the only proof that the author of this website seems to be using that would somehow prove NWO to be possible is because people of high power have used the phrase. That's like if a Marine Biologist would talk a lot about Megaladons (an ancient extinct shark creature that precedes the Great White Shark.) would somehow prove that he knows they exist but that he is hiding them from us for some shady purposes.
Claim:
"Lets forgive the Nazi war criminals" (George Bush, New York Times, April, 14, 1990)
Clock: That is just silly. Again, no evidence of Bush actually saying this but on conspiracy websites. I'm also noticing that this website is very anti-Bush Sr. Not that I particularly care about him (i'm not American) it reminds me a lot of Alex Jones, who jumps from president to president by each calling them the anti-Christ or the destroyers of America.
The "Evil" New World Order "Map"
A section of the website contains an article talking about a so called NWO map, developed in 1941 or 1942. There is a picture of the map from their website here:
I was curious about this map, and I did a bit of research, and I've managed to find the real map itself in high quality, thanks to wikipedia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Gomberg_map.jpg Now that we can analyse the proper map, things are starting to make a lot more sense. The map was developed by Maurice Gomberg. It was a proposal of how the world should be distributed following the ending of World War 2, assuming that the Nazi party would fall. The proposal is to "assume[s] world leadership for the establishment of a New Moral Order, for permanent peace, order, justice, security and world reconstruction." It is not to create a huge idea that will unleash hell upon humanity. It does really have a nice message, butt unfortunately it hasn't aged to well, mainly because it completely ignores what would happen following WW2 (the cold war) and contains alot of American ass kissing, such as this new world of peace to be primarily controlled by the USA, to rename Europe as the United States of Europe, South America as the United States of South America, which means that in no means can it be taken seriously. CTers mainly jump on this map because it is approved by the Library of Congress as an Official map, despite the fact that Maurice Gomberg had made it as a personal project and released it independently[11]. Just like George Orwell's 1984, it was more of an idea than fact. Many conspiracy theorists believe that this is proof for a New World Order. However, let's look at this rationally. If the governments of the world were really working on such a map of world domination, would they really release this? Especially at the price they were releasing this (1$)? The only reason this has caught on in the eyes of conspiracy theorists is because that it contains the words "New Moral Order".
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Sources
[1]: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm
[2]: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
[3]: https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Nations+should+develop+and+train+military+units+for+possible+U.N.+peacekeeping+operations.+...+If+multinational+units+are+to+work+together%2C+they+must+train+together.+...+Effective+multinational+action+will+also+require+coordinated+command+%26+control+and+inter-operability+of+both+equipment+and+communications.%22+&rlz=1C1CHWA_enCA511CA511&aq=f&oq=%22Nations+should+develop+and+train+military+units+for+possible+U.N.+peacekeeping+operations.+...+If+multinational+units+are+to+work+together%2C+
[4]: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/global-domination-agenda-debunked/
[5]: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/world-domination-conspiracies-debunked/
[6]: http://metabunk.org/threads/431-Anyone-care-to-debunk-these-quotes
[7]: http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?book=Student&va=capitalism
[8]: http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?book=Student&va=communism
[9]: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
[10]:http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/3430
[11]:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Gomberg_ad.png
Debunking Alex Jones' newest video, "What The NWO doesn't want you to know"
Author: Clock
Date: Mar 09, 2013 at 14:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qJE5da1r1Cw
It's debunking time once again.
In the beginning of this video, Alex says some very true things, about the the earth and the universe, and how much humanity is capable of creating and doing things. It is actually very made, good job on Alex and his editing team. It all goes well until the 4:00 minute mark in the video above, when he mentions "The Globalists".
As I often say, before you start talking about the NWO or Globalists theory, you need to prove a correlation between the Governments, the industries and the media. If you cannot, then that automatically debunks the whole NWO thing. A good article (http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/...enda-debunked/) discusses this here. It is well worth a read, and lays the smack down on the theory.
Alex Jones: The entire development of these systems [technology] are in the hands of The Globalists, super predators, who have a lustful disdain, and hate for humanity.
Why do they have a hate for humanity? They are humans themselves, and if they want to kill off to kill off half of humanity (or all of it, while you're at it), what's the point? Then, there will be nothing to run and nothing to do. This line is also very silly, it sounds like they are talking about the evil empire in the Star Wars movies.
Alex Jones: Globalists and social engineers talk about the total population like we are animals, and our main use is to be manipulated
-Nothing to say here. This is Alex's typical line of paranoia and opinion
Alex Jones: ...to be controlled, to be tested upon,
If they did not give a damn about us why would they bother testing us? Besides, most scientists test their experiments with rats or mice. If you see in this link, (http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/20...1101taffe.html) the journalists write that the first tests on the rats were successful. They would not test on humans. In an article by the Telegraph, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3353960/Should-we-experiment-on-animals-Yes.html) they state that testing on lab rats is still the best way to determine to cure or the cause of a disease. Not only that but they are reliable and cheap. Plus, since they have similar genetics as us, humans.
Alex Jones: Foster children have been used to be tested upon by the US Military for the past 60 years
-The only case of humans being tested upon was during the cold war, in St. Louis/ Texas. However, this has been debunked here: http://metabunk.org/threads/888-Army...s-and-St-Louis
The whole "for more than 60 years" line lacks evidence and is false. He does not even bother to give us examples of children used for testing.
Alex Jones: I'm asking humanity to realize that a very small group, of inbred, unhappy, twisted and wicked people, have seized control of human development, and are attempting to establish a total control system of technocratic surveillance systems and de-humanization. It is now that we must begin to struggle against their bureaucracy. Fighting their 1984 system, with liberty and enlightenment and truth, until the levers of technological development, are leveraged from the hands of the globalists. Humanity has a very dark future.
-Technically we all have control of human development. If you look up human development on google, you get this wikipedia page: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_d..._%28biology%29) Sex is human development, it is not only something the "ultra mean globalists" have. And if he is talking about alternating a human gene and cloning it, well think again. Many countries are banning genetic human testing and cloning,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloning#Current_law) so this entire statement is false and plain feermongering.
Alex Jones: The real threats facing humanity are not the fake environmental threats that Al Gore and the UN talk about.
-Extremely debatable
Alex Jones: There are unchecked, cross-species genetic engineering. Tens of thousands of biotech companies, universities and governments, randomly splicing viruses, bacteria from plants and animals and then injecting them into other animals, which is already giving a rise to mutated viruses and bacteria and irrevocable vandalization of the genetic code of the planet.
-Although he is right here, it is taken entirely out of context. Mutated virus are created by mistake, in which there is not enough protein in the gene of the substance. If there is a mistake in the mutation, it cannot give any offspring, and if a DNA system is broken, it can be fixed using the DNA Repair system in order to prevent mutation. Although mutations can be problematic, they have lots of benifits as well: for ecample a cell named CCR5 can help delay the AIDS disease from having an effect your body, and people who naturally have mutations in their body can help fight very harmful diseases, such as the mutation CCR5-Δ32 help the human body to be immune from the Bubonic Plague. "...Mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection."-wkipedia Also, Mutations are not unchecked, I am not sure where Alex got that from. They are obviously checked if they know it can cause cancer, as seen in the wikipedia article below.
sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
Alex Jones: High tech chemical and most importantly biological weapons development, unchecked nanotech,
-Unchecked Nanotech is pure fiction. This technology is always checked, and some of the problems that conspiracy theorists say about it (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nanotechnology#In_fiction) are just plain false.
Alex Jones: the artificial creation of black holes,
-Alex pulled that out of his @ss. This is what a physicist has to say about it:
"Not with any current, or remotely feasible technology. The method in use by the universe today; get several Suns worth of mass into a big pile and wait, is a pretty effective way to create black holes.
In theory, all you need to do to create an artificial black hole (a "black faux"?) is to get a large amount of energy and matter into a very small volume. The easiest method would probably be to use some kind of massive, super-duper-accelerators. The problem is that black holes are dense, and the smaller and less massive they are the denser they need to be."
http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/07/q-is-it-possible-for-an-artificial-black-hole-to-be-created-or-something-that-has-the-same-effects-if-so-how-small-could-it-be-made/
Although I see where Alex saw his info about the 2 phycists in china creating a black hole, this is actually what their experiment was about:
"after a related paper was published by researchers at Purdue University, Indiana. The paper proposed a device that could mimic the properties of a black hole in space, causing space-time in the surrounding area to bend and warp and spiral inwards toward the center of the black hole. But unlike a cosmic black hole, this one (hopefully) won't rip us apart."
It mimics the properties of a black hole, the machine does not create a cosmetic black hole.
http://gajitz.com/suck-it-up-first-artificial-black-hole-built-we-survived/
Alex Jones: any matter weapons of the air force, who admits they developed a new viral vaccine that re-engineers the brain by attacking certain gangly i systems in which you could no longer feel emotions.
This is false, a pure fabrication. It you can't find it on google, where can you?
Alex Jones: ...and in the incoming years they are going to override every major life form on this planet without asking you.
Once again this is false, there are many groups that are against human cloning, again, look at the list of countries who refuse human testing.
Alex Jones: That's a trillion times what Monsanto does planting your crops next to yours, and they come and charge in on your property and charge copyright infringement when they polluted your property.
Gmos debunked here: http://metabunk.org/threads/177-GMO-conspiracy-theories
And then... Alex goes on another well spoken about how unethical it is to do all of these transformations. He still says his typical BS of "NWO are trying to distract you" but Alex is actually being a well spoken person in this, and I must say that he is doing a good job. It's really a shame that Alex Jones is a Conspiracy Theorist, as he is pretty well spoken when he is not yelling and screaming like an ape. But then, he goes back to the whole wake up message, which is dumb.
At one point he talks about those times when scientists say the planet would be better off without us. Alex says that is a plan by the NWO to make humanity seem as a disease. And honestly? The Scientists who say so are right in a sense. Michael Crichton once wrote in The Lost World that humans are so destructive, that is so easy for us to manipulate things that we are somewhat like a disease on the earth, and we abuse its resources to hell. And to be fair? we sort of do. Would Climate Change be an issue if we were not extracting oils from tar pits or decomposed fossils? Would have less floods and landslides if we did not cut as many forests down? Alex takes these quotes by scientists way out of context. However, these claims by both Alex and the Scientists should not be taken seriously. They are merely statements and observations of how the human being acts. Nothing more, nothing less.
He says that they are openly planning to release biological weapons in order to kill us all, which is false as the US, UK and Russia banned the developement of stockipiling bio weapons, and they is also a lack of proof that the other countries will launch all of them on us to kill us all.
More rambling on trying to dumb us down. Yawn.
And.. he talks about that for the rest of the vid. I hope you enjoyed this debunking. And now, I will take a nice shower, this guy is giving me a headache!
It's debunking time once again.
In the beginning of this video, Alex says some very true things, about the the earth and the universe, and how much humanity is capable of creating and doing things. It is actually very made, good job on Alex and his editing team. It all goes well until the 4:00 minute mark in the video above, when he mentions "The Globalists".
As I often say, before you start talking about the NWO or Globalists theory, you need to prove a correlation between the Governments, the industries and the media. If you cannot, then that automatically debunks the whole NWO thing. A good article (http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/...enda-debunked/) discusses this here. It is well worth a read, and lays the smack down on the theory.
Alex Jones: The entire development of these systems [technology] are in the hands of The Globalists, super predators, who have a lustful disdain, and hate for humanity.
Why do they have a hate for humanity? They are humans themselves, and if they want to kill off to kill off half of humanity (or all of it, while you're at it), what's the point? Then, there will be nothing to run and nothing to do. This line is also very silly, it sounds like they are talking about the evil empire in the Star Wars movies.
Alex Jones: Globalists and social engineers talk about the total population like we are animals, and our main use is to be manipulated
-Nothing to say here. This is Alex's typical line of paranoia and opinion
Alex Jones: ...to be controlled, to be tested upon,
If they did not give a damn about us why would they bother testing us? Besides, most scientists test their experiments with rats or mice. If you see in this link, (http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/20...1101taffe.html) the journalists write that the first tests on the rats were successful. They would not test on humans. In an article by the Telegraph, (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3353960/Should-we-experiment-on-animals-Yes.html) they state that testing on lab rats is still the best way to determine to cure or the cause of a disease. Not only that but they are reliable and cheap. Plus, since they have similar genetics as us, humans.
Alex Jones: Foster children have been used to be tested upon by the US Military for the past 60 years
-The only case of humans being tested upon was during the cold war, in St. Louis/ Texas. However, this has been debunked here: http://metabunk.org/threads/888-Army...s-and-St-Louis
The whole "for more than 60 years" line lacks evidence and is false. He does not even bother to give us examples of children used for testing.
Alex Jones: I'm asking humanity to realize that a very small group, of inbred, unhappy, twisted and wicked people, have seized control of human development, and are attempting to establish a total control system of technocratic surveillance systems and de-humanization. It is now that we must begin to struggle against their bureaucracy. Fighting their 1984 system, with liberty and enlightenment and truth, until the levers of technological development, are leveraged from the hands of the globalists. Humanity has a very dark future.
-Technically we all have control of human development. If you look up human development on google, you get this wikipedia page: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_d..._%28biology%29) Sex is human development, it is not only something the "ultra mean globalists" have. And if he is talking about alternating a human gene and cloning it, well think again. Many countries are banning genetic human testing and cloning,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloning#Current_law) so this entire statement is false and plain feermongering.
Alex Jones: The real threats facing humanity are not the fake environmental threats that Al Gore and the UN talk about.
-Extremely debatable
Alex Jones: There are unchecked, cross-species genetic engineering. Tens of thousands of biotech companies, universities and governments, randomly splicing viruses, bacteria from plants and animals and then injecting them into other animals, which is already giving a rise to mutated viruses and bacteria and irrevocable vandalization of the genetic code of the planet.
-Although he is right here, it is taken entirely out of context. Mutated virus are created by mistake, in which there is not enough protein in the gene of the substance. If there is a mistake in the mutation, it cannot give any offspring, and if a DNA system is broken, it can be fixed using the DNA Repair system in order to prevent mutation. Although mutations can be problematic, they have lots of benifits as well: for ecample a cell named CCR5 can help delay the AIDS disease from having an effect your body, and people who naturally have mutations in their body can help fight very harmful diseases, such as the mutation CCR5-Δ32 help the human body to be immune from the Bubonic Plague. "...Mutation may enable the mutant organism to withstand particular environmental stresses better than wild-type organisms, or reproduce more quickly. In these cases a mutation will tend to become more common in a population through natural selection."-wkipedia Also, Mutations are not unchecked, I am not sure where Alex got that from. They are obviously checked if they know it can cause cancer, as seen in the wikipedia article below.
sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
Alex Jones: High tech chemical and most importantly biological weapons development, unchecked nanotech,
-Unchecked Nanotech is pure fiction. This technology is always checked, and some of the problems that conspiracy theorists say about it (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nanotechnology#In_fiction) are just plain false.
Alex Jones: the artificial creation of black holes,
-Alex pulled that out of his @ss. This is what a physicist has to say about it:
"Not with any current, or remotely feasible technology. The method in use by the universe today; get several Suns worth of mass into a big pile and wait, is a pretty effective way to create black holes.
In theory, all you need to do to create an artificial black hole (a "black faux"?) is to get a large amount of energy and matter into a very small volume. The easiest method would probably be to use some kind of massive, super-duper-accelerators. The problem is that black holes are dense, and the smaller and less massive they are the denser they need to be."
http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/07/q-is-it-possible-for-an-artificial-black-hole-to-be-created-or-something-that-has-the-same-effects-if-so-how-small-could-it-be-made/
Although I see where Alex saw his info about the 2 phycists in china creating a black hole, this is actually what their experiment was about:
"after a related paper was published by researchers at Purdue University, Indiana. The paper proposed a device that could mimic the properties of a black hole in space, causing space-time in the surrounding area to bend and warp and spiral inwards toward the center of the black hole. But unlike a cosmic black hole, this one (hopefully) won't rip us apart."
It mimics the properties of a black hole, the machine does not create a cosmetic black hole.
http://gajitz.com/suck-it-up-first-artificial-black-hole-built-we-survived/
Alex Jones: any matter weapons of the air force, who admits they developed a new viral vaccine that re-engineers the brain by attacking certain gangly i systems in which you could no longer feel emotions.
This is false, a pure fabrication. It you can't find it on google, where can you?
Alex Jones: ...and in the incoming years they are going to override every major life form on this planet without asking you.
Once again this is false, there are many groups that are against human cloning, again, look at the list of countries who refuse human testing.
Alex Jones: That's a trillion times what Monsanto does planting your crops next to yours, and they come and charge in on your property and charge copyright infringement when they polluted your property.
Gmos debunked here: http://metabunk.org/threads/177-GMO-conspiracy-theories
And then... Alex goes on another well spoken about how unethical it is to do all of these transformations. He still says his typical BS of "NWO are trying to distract you" but Alex is actually being a well spoken person in this, and I must say that he is doing a good job. It's really a shame that Alex Jones is a Conspiracy Theorist, as he is pretty well spoken when he is not yelling and screaming like an ape. But then, he goes back to the whole wake up message, which is dumb.
At one point he talks about those times when scientists say the planet would be better off without us. Alex says that is a plan by the NWO to make humanity seem as a disease. And honestly? The Scientists who say so are right in a sense. Michael Crichton once wrote in The Lost World that humans are so destructive, that is so easy for us to manipulate things that we are somewhat like a disease on the earth, and we abuse its resources to hell. And to be fair? we sort of do. Would Climate Change be an issue if we were not extracting oils from tar pits or decomposed fossils? Would have less floods and landslides if we did not cut as many forests down? Alex takes these quotes by scientists way out of context. However, these claims by both Alex and the Scientists should not be taken seriously. They are merely statements and observations of how the human being acts. Nothing more, nothing less.
He says that they are openly planning to release biological weapons in order to kill us all, which is false as the US, UK and Russia banned the developement of stockipiling bio weapons, and they is also a lack of proof that the other countries will launch all of them on us to kill us all.
More rambling on trying to dumb us down. Yawn.
And.. he talks about that for the rest of the vid. I hope you enjoyed this debunking. And now, I will take a nice shower, this guy is giving me a headache!
Debunked: Ke$ha forced to sing "we're gonna die young"" (Vigilant Citizen Debunked, Part 1)
Author: Clock
Date: Mar 09, 2013 at 14:08
Once in awhile, I admit, I go on Vigilant Citizen, to see what paranoid assumption they are talking about at the moment. And guess what? it's the music industry! The folks at VC say that having these random signs and other things prove that the NWO exist. (This whole theory has been debunked by a very good debunker, right here : http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/?s=Global+)
Of course, they are not sure why video editors and artists would spend so much time putting in satanic*** symbols (for not even 4 seconds a video on most cases) in music videos in order to supposedly advertise their symbols inside of popular media (as if that will accomplish anything)
***: the satanic symbols that represent symbols of god, but whatever.
This week they decide to attack Ke$ha. Lovely. I decide to dive right in, and, of course, debunk it. It seems to be about a tweet that she made on twitter. This is the article that VC wrote:
Vigilant Citizen: Ke$ha Claims She Was Forced to Sing "Die Young"
In the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, radio stations across the country are dropping Ke$ha's single Die Young from their playlist. The song's constant repetition of the words "we're gonna die young" is now apparently deemed inappropriate for airplay. As I've stated in The Illuminati Symbolism of Ke$ha's "Die Young" and How it Ridicules the Indoctrinated Masses, the entire imagery of the video and of the live performances that accompanied the song were about glorifying death and ritual sacrifices. All of this was interlaced with Illuminati symbolism, hinting that the whole thing was yet another way of the elite to push a culture of death on the masses.
Clock: The tweet that they are talking about can be seen here: http://metabunk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1262&d=1356494994
Vigilant Citizen: This tweet was later deleted because it probably pissed off her bosses.
But who exactly forced her to sing those lyrics? Why was she credited as a writer of the song? As I stated in the Die Young article:
"In reality, Ke$ha didn't do anything for any LOLs. She did not direct the video. She is just performing what she is told to perform, like most pop stars. The fact of the matter is: Illuminati symbols are becoming more prevalent because that was the plan all along - to gradually make them part of popular culture. The occult elite is revealing itself and the masses are dancing to their tunes."
Pop stars have no control over their careers, they are puppets used to push Agendas. Die Young was all about celebrating the sick culture of death that is prevalent in mass media today. Ke$ha's temporary tweet gave us a small glimpse of the coercive and forceful nature of the music industry and how it imposes content on stars.
It apparently took a mass shooting to make some people realize that there is something sick and unhealthy in popular culture. I am not for censorship of any kind, but for people to wake up and reject the crap that is pushed on them. Let's hope other tragedies won't be needed to make more people see the obvious.
These guys sure are a ball of joy.
OK, first thing's first: I love the fact how Vigilant Citizen loves making assumptions, and jumping to conclusions (Everything someone rich does has to do with the Illuminati or being controlled OMG OMG) in order to fit their own view, that is the only right idea and you are considered stupid and brain-washed if you disagree.
What Ke$ha meant by this tweet:
She responded to many of the conspiracy theorists and fans about her tweet, and this is what she said on her website:
"MESSAGE FROM KE$HA
December 20, 2012
After such a tragic event I was feeling a lot of emotion and sadness when I said I was forced to sing some of the lyrics to Die Young. Forced is not the right word. I did have some concerns about the phrase "die young" in the chorus when we were writing the lyrics especially because so many of my fans are young and that's one reason why I wrote so many versions of this song. But the point of the song is the importance of living every day to the fullest and staying young at heart, and these are things I truly believe."
http://www.keshasparty.com/us/news/message-keha
Now, what she means by forced, does not mean manipulated by someone to sing the song. She was forced, to sing the lyrics as is, because let's face it, that's the song. If someone would make a song about peace and war, having it become a smash single, and then a war breaks out somewhere, well, the artist playing live is going to have to sing the song as is, because that's what people pay to see, sometimes.
Later, VC goes on this tangent about agendas and manipulations. This is entirely debatable and I'm going to prove it, using another popular artist these days, Bruno Mars. He recently released his second studio album, Unorthodox Jukebox.
"This is me going into the studio and recording and writing whatever I want. This album represents my freedom. I've had big record label presidents look me in the face and say, 'Your music sucks, you don't know who you are, your music is all over the place, and we don't know how to market this stuff. Pick a lane and come back to us.' That was disgusting to me, because I'm not trying to be a circus act. I listen to a lot of music, and I want to have the freedom and luxury to walk into a studio and say, 'Today I want to do a hip-hop, R&B, soul or rock record'"
After the success of his first album, Doo-Wops and Hooligans, the record label wanted his 2nd album to be a variation on the same theme, as it is usually the winning formula, and he instead did his own thing. The album follows a variety of styles, from Disco to an Elton John ballad, and finally to a Police-ish rock song.
Some people might say that he is forced to say this, but again, is there any proof of him being manipulated by the "evil" record companies? You probably can't.
There are tons of of artists I could think of that were like this, but Bruno Mars is a great example because he is modern.
There are other people in bands that 'control' a band in a certain way, and these guys are called managers. These guys book, advertise and take care relations between the band and the record label, and to make sure that the artist continues to be successful and make lots of money. ( http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091018085326AAGAwlC )
Vigilant Citizen is a paranoid website that is full of fear mongering, and lack of proper research. They did not bother to prove that she was being controlled by others and that she told to sing this song, which makes no sense considering she wrote the thing.
In the next thread, I will debunk Ke$ha's video "Die Young" and artists commonly recognized for being part of the NWO. (oops! I already did this! You can find it here: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5490/the-illuminati-symbolism-kehas-die-young-video-debunked/ )
Until next time,
Clock
Of course, they are not sure why video editors and artists would spend so much time putting in satanic*** symbols (for not even 4 seconds a video on most cases) in music videos in order to supposedly advertise their symbols inside of popular media (as if that will accomplish anything)
***: the satanic symbols that represent symbols of god, but whatever.
This week they decide to attack Ke$ha. Lovely. I decide to dive right in, and, of course, debunk it. It seems to be about a tweet that she made on twitter. This is the article that VC wrote:
Vigilant Citizen: Ke$ha Claims She Was Forced to Sing "Die Young"
In the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, radio stations across the country are dropping Ke$ha's single Die Young from their playlist. The song's constant repetition of the words "we're gonna die young" is now apparently deemed inappropriate for airplay. As I've stated in The Illuminati Symbolism of Ke$ha's "Die Young" and How it Ridicules the Indoctrinated Masses, the entire imagery of the video and of the live performances that accompanied the song were about glorifying death and ritual sacrifices. All of this was interlaced with Illuminati symbolism, hinting that the whole thing was yet another way of the elite to push a culture of death on the masses.
Clock: The tweet that they are talking about can be seen here: http://metabunk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1262&d=1356494994
Vigilant Citizen: This tweet was later deleted because it probably pissed off her bosses.
But who exactly forced her to sing those lyrics? Why was she credited as a writer of the song? As I stated in the Die Young article:
"In reality, Ke$ha didn't do anything for any LOLs. She did not direct the video. She is just performing what she is told to perform, like most pop stars. The fact of the matter is: Illuminati symbols are becoming more prevalent because that was the plan all along - to gradually make them part of popular culture. The occult elite is revealing itself and the masses are dancing to their tunes."
Pop stars have no control over their careers, they are puppets used to push Agendas. Die Young was all about celebrating the sick culture of death that is prevalent in mass media today. Ke$ha's temporary tweet gave us a small glimpse of the coercive and forceful nature of the music industry and how it imposes content on stars.
It apparently took a mass shooting to make some people realize that there is something sick and unhealthy in popular culture. I am not for censorship of any kind, but for people to wake up and reject the crap that is pushed on them. Let's hope other tragedies won't be needed to make more people see the obvious.
These guys sure are a ball of joy.
OK, first thing's first: I love the fact how Vigilant Citizen loves making assumptions, and jumping to conclusions (Everything someone rich does has to do with the Illuminati or being controlled OMG OMG) in order to fit their own view, that is the only right idea and you are considered stupid and brain-washed if you disagree.
What Ke$ha meant by this tweet:
She responded to many of the conspiracy theorists and fans about her tweet, and this is what she said on her website:
"MESSAGE FROM KE$HA
December 20, 2012
After such a tragic event I was feeling a lot of emotion and sadness when I said I was forced to sing some of the lyrics to Die Young. Forced is not the right word. I did have some concerns about the phrase "die young" in the chorus when we were writing the lyrics especially because so many of my fans are young and that's one reason why I wrote so many versions of this song. But the point of the song is the importance of living every day to the fullest and staying young at heart, and these are things I truly believe."
http://www.keshasparty.com/us/news/message-keha
Now, what she means by forced, does not mean manipulated by someone to sing the song. She was forced, to sing the lyrics as is, because let's face it, that's the song. If someone would make a song about peace and war, having it become a smash single, and then a war breaks out somewhere, well, the artist playing live is going to have to sing the song as is, because that's what people pay to see, sometimes.
Later, VC goes on this tangent about agendas and manipulations. This is entirely debatable and I'm going to prove it, using another popular artist these days, Bruno Mars. He recently released his second studio album, Unorthodox Jukebox.
"This is me going into the studio and recording and writing whatever I want. This album represents my freedom. I've had big record label presidents look me in the face and say, 'Your music sucks, you don't know who you are, your music is all over the place, and we don't know how to market this stuff. Pick a lane and come back to us.' That was disgusting to me, because I'm not trying to be a circus act. I listen to a lot of music, and I want to have the freedom and luxury to walk into a studio and say, 'Today I want to do a hip-hop, R&B, soul or rock record'"
After the success of his first album, Doo-Wops and Hooligans, the record label wanted his 2nd album to be a variation on the same theme, as it is usually the winning formula, and he instead did his own thing. The album follows a variety of styles, from Disco to an Elton John ballad, and finally to a Police-ish rock song.
Some people might say that he is forced to say this, but again, is there any proof of him being manipulated by the "evil" record companies? You probably can't.
There are tons of of artists I could think of that were like this, but Bruno Mars is a great example because he is modern.
There are other people in bands that 'control' a band in a certain way, and these guys are called managers. These guys book, advertise and take care relations between the band and the record label, and to make sure that the artist continues to be successful and make lots of money. ( http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091018085326AAGAwlC )
Vigilant Citizen is a paranoid website that is full of fear mongering, and lack of proper research. They did not bother to prove that she was being controlled by others and that she told to sing this song, which makes no sense considering she wrote the thing.
In the next thread, I will debunk Ke$ha's video "Die Young" and artists commonly recognized for being part of the NWO. (oops! I already did this! You can find it here: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5490/the-illuminati-symbolism-kehas-die-young-video-debunked/ )
Until next time,
Clock
The Illuminati Symbolism Ke$ha's Die Young Video (Vigilant Citizen Debunked, Part 2)
Author: Clock
Date: Mar 09, 2013 at 14:06
As I promised in a previous thread, I was going to concentrate on Ke$ha's Die Young video, which is a video Vigilant Citizen loves to death because it is full of symbolism. The amount of freemasonry symbolism here is not hard to miss, to the point where it seems to be done on purpose, but, we'll talk about that later. Let's first dive in the wonderful VC article:
Vigilant Citizen : "The Illuminati Symbolism of Ke$ha's "Die Young" and How it Ridicules the Indoctrinated Masses
Ke$ha's "Die Young" is probably one of the most blatant Illuminati videos ever released. While the symbolism is so overt that it is almost ridiculous, there's an underlying message to the video: Even if you're dumb enough to embrace all of that Illuminati brainwash, you're still not part of the elite and therefore, still subject to "Die Young"."
Clock: First off, that is not what the song is about. according to ke$ha, this is what the song is about:
"...But the point of the song is the importance of living every day to the fullest and staying young at heart, and these are things I truly believe."
http://perezhilton.com/2012-12-20-ke...n#.UNr92ndO5QU
Also, it's a shame that Vigilant Citizen never reasearched why all of the symbolism was in it, but be patient, I will cover it soon.
Vigilant Citizen:
Ke-dollarsign-ha has never been the most inspirational singer around. She started her career as an alcoholic party girl that's not too strict about personal hygiene (see the Tik Tok line "Before I leave brush ma teeth with a bottle of Jack") and, for her new album, she turned into some kind of Illuminati witch-type deal. She is far from the only pop star that has gone through this kind of metamorphosis and it was probably pre-planned by her record label. How many singers have gone from an "around-the-way" girl to an Illuminati figurehead? That's what the industry does.
Clock: There's a hole in this paragraph:
Vigilant Citizen: She is far from the only pop star that has gone through this kind of metamorphosis and it was probably pre-planned by her record label
Clock: the hypocrisy of this statement will be revealed right now:
Vigilant Citizen: How many singers have gone from an "around-the-way" girl to an Illuminati figurehead? That's what the industry does.
Clock: VC is now implying that it is something common when before they had said that it is something in common with most pop stars. Can VC actually prove the existance of this illuminati controlling pop music and imposing their "evilllll" message on kids? Fact is, they cannot. They can show you a bunch of symbols that don't mean anything though! That is their proof on the existance of this evil organization; they have lots of symbols of weird things. They cannot however show me a video of a meeting between Ke$ha and the illuminati heads planning her success on the radio nor can they show a paper of it, because quite frankly, it doesn't exist . You can show me a bunch of pictures of Rihanna and Ke$ha doing things all you want, but that's not going to pass on as proof.
Vigilant Citizen: on the untrained eye this kind of transformation is usually somewhat subtle ... Ke$ha's Die Young is anything but. In fact, it is one giant clusterfreak of Illuminati symbols. It is so obvious and in-your-face that it forced mainstream music sources such as Billboard.com to "admit" that the video was all about Illuminati symbols (see their article entitled Ke$ha Shouts-Out Illuminati in 'Die Young' Video). Interestingly enough, not too long ago, these same sites were calling sites like Vigilant Citizen "batshit crazy" for even alluding to the existence of these symbols and describing their meaning. Now these sites say "Yeah, there are Illuminati symbols" in a matter-of-fact way. What happened to the batshit crazy part? However, the mainstream sites still only refer to this concept in an extremely superficial way, not giving any insight on their true meaning and the real Agenda behind it all.
Clock: Lol, Bilboard.com is not admitting, it is stating a fact. Poor Vigilant Citizen, they do not realize that it is making fun of conspiracy theorists, who go batshit crazy when they see symbolism in Music Videos. Now, they were given an entire video full of them, and they went crazy. Also if a major music magazine is advertizing the fact that the video is full of it, it usually means it was done on purpose, and it is a clever advertizement scheme. (shock value =revenue). I am going to quote a quote I used from another thread on Metabunk:
"Ok everyone here goes. I have looked at this site repeatedly and found it to be totally ridiculous. It's very similar to the "Bible Code" hype. If you look hard enough at anything you can find something to try to justify your beliefs. This whole bit about the "Corporate Elite" hiding symbols in music and videos is completely laughable. It is now and always has been just for the shock value. You know, "doing something that your parents will hate". It has always been about having something that the "older generation" is shocked by and the kids will love it.There is no big conspiracy. It's purely for shock and advertising. Something to catch the eye and stand out above the rest. If this guy at VC really believed what he writes he wouldn't hide his true identity.
He says he has been in the music industry for years and sees all of the crap. Crap is what it is. I have been in the music industry for 45 years. It's all about advertising and publicity. Nothing more. No hidden meanings, no mind control, no Satanism. Most of the people that believe this crap are mind numb robots incapable of thinking for themselves. I'm not saying they are stupid because stupidity is something your are born with. They are although ignorant. Being ignorant is something that you do through conscious thought. Most of the people that believe what is on VC have been taught WHAT to think, not HOW to think.
It doesn't matter if the person behind the web site is Christian or not. He has an ulterior motive of some kind otherwise he wouldn't hide his identity.
One last thing I need to mention is the censorship of the site. I have used their VOTING BUTTONS only to find that if I return to the site later that my votes haven't been counted and if I write a reply to any of the postings and don't agree with what has been said by others the my replies mysteriously disappear. I guess he can't handle any opposition because he is afraid of the "Real Truth"."
If the entire thing was done on purpose, why is Vigilant Citizen bothering to cover it? I mean, that's what a shout-out usually means, it was done on purpose, and not meant to be taken seriously. If there is something the people at Vigilant Citizen lack, it's rationality and common sense. everything someone does is suspicious and they analyse the living hell out of it to come to their view (which is always right, by the way.)
Vigilant Citizen: Some might rationalize what is happening by saying: "Ke$ha did it for the LOLs and to make fun of the conspiracies". This is plausible, but this argument is now surfacing every time a video contains Illuminati symbolism. Are all videos now making fun of conspiracies? In reality, Ke$ha didn't do anything for any LOLs. She did not direct the video. She is just performing what she is told to perform, like most pop stars. The fact of the matter is: Illuminati symbols are becoming more prevalent because that was the plan all along: To gradually make them part of popular culture. The occult elite is revealing itself and the masses are dancing to their tunes.
Clock: You know what? This is not bad of an argument, good job on Vigilant Citizen. I will hand them that. However, there are mistakes in this paragraph that could not make this argument seem valid: Is there any proof that she is being controlled by anyone else? Can you show a quote, a picture, person, name or video of this going on? Also, If there is all of this craziness going on, why aren't there any whistle blowers? also, if they were so secret, why would they leave clues around? Truly, if something were secret, then they would not be leaving clues behind, and I'm pretty sure that websites like Vigilant Citizen would be taken down for "exposing".
Also, how are symbols becoming more and more prevalent? That is opinion. Usually, if you see one symbol, and you are being told to see more, your brain will likely start looking for these patterns of symbols, and you will therefore start seeing them everywhere.
If their plan was to make some of the symbols of the illuminati as part of pop culture, what in the world would they gain of that? Does that make them Illuminati worshipers? No, they are still mostly Catholic or devout to their own religion, just because the music video that teenagers are listening to contains some symbolism (if you search for them, you might just find them everywhere, and trust me, it's a really creepy experience) Does that make them Satan Worshipers? no.
They then begin to analyze some of the symbols. yaaaayy!
They use the eye of providence a lot, and this makes me very confused. If the illumnati, as VC puts it, is a group of people controlling the government and the music industry. They are said to be Satanic and evil and want to impose a eery plan of New World Order. The NWO on the Thrive Debunked website has been debunked to death already, so I will not even bother with it. Here's my question: If a group that believed in Satanic worship and are working against God and what everybody else thinks, why in the hell is their symbol (the eye of providence) representative of GOD? That makes absolutely no sense.
TO end this, I will use a little copy pasting from Rational Wiki:
"Easter eggs in the media
They also have a tendency to put hidden symbols and clues to their existence around the world, and on money, for no apparent reasons.[5]
Nearly every popular culture icon, including television shows, politicians music artists and any/every celebrity, are said to be somehow connected to the Illuminati in some way from something as normal as a triangle...
Probably the best example of this would be Tupac Shakur, whose last album was entitled "The Don Killuminati: The Seven Day Theory" lead to many theories.[6] Tupac actually chose the title to reference that the album was recorded and mixed in a relatively short period of seven days.The word killuminati (a portmanteau of the words kill and illuminati) that people ironically interpret as Pac saying that he is speaking out against them and killing illuminati. The truth being that he heard about them in prison and used the logic the majority of people lack that "If this organisation is so secret, how the fuck does everyone know about it?" Those aren't his words but it's what he meant, Tupac never believed in the Illuminati. [7] People also begin to distort the truth to form other theories. People have been saying Tupac faked his death and will be coming back since 2003. Every few years when they are obviously wrong people push back the guess a few years. This is mainly because a while before he died Tupac was planning on permanently changing his rap name to Makaveli after the 15/16th century writer Niccolò Machiavelli.
An equally good example would be rapper Jay-Z. He is supposedly very high in the Illuminati's hierarchy of celebrities. The hand gesture that he flashes has been cited as "proof" (in a very, very loose sense of the word) even though it's meant to represent the diamond of Roc-a-fella Records and is thrown up as frequently as the east or west hand signs. He is also accused of being famous for selling his soul and amongst other things. As with Tupac, theorists just turn to lies to prove their points. Quite a few people claimed that the name of his newborn daughter, Blue Ivy, backwards (Yvi Eulb) is Latin for Lucifer's daughter even though there is nothing to imply this. Jay Z has denied all these claims; his response to the conspiracy theorists can be heard in Rick Ross's song, "Free Mason."[8] I assure you when he dies no matter how simple the explanation for the death, someone somewhere will have "evidence" that the illuminati was involved.
It can be very difficult to find anyone who isn't actually connected with the Illuminati. All of the claimed affiliations involve an occult symbol in a music video or photo (usually the "all-seeing eye," the Star of David, or a Pentagram). This is most likely to get people talking and gain publicity. For example, if Rihanna has a newspaper cutout that says "Princess of the Illuminati" in a music video. Millions of people will go watch the video...
Michael Jackson is a very interesting case. One faction of the conspiracy community considers him a member of the Illuminati, employed to brainwash the public. Another faction, however, says that Michael was not a member, but actually was fighting to expose their control of the music industry and media. Michael was supposedly killed for this very reason. Either way the theorists have all the bases covered.
I hope you ennjoyed this debunking. I will next analyze the kesha tweet in which she says that she was forced to sing Die Young!
-Clock
Vigilant Citizen : "The Illuminati Symbolism of Ke$ha's "Die Young" and How it Ridicules the Indoctrinated Masses
Ke$ha's "Die Young" is probably one of the most blatant Illuminati videos ever released. While the symbolism is so overt that it is almost ridiculous, there's an underlying message to the video: Even if you're dumb enough to embrace all of that Illuminati brainwash, you're still not part of the elite and therefore, still subject to "Die Young"."
Clock: First off, that is not what the song is about. according to ke$ha, this is what the song is about:
"...But the point of the song is the importance of living every day to the fullest and staying young at heart, and these are things I truly believe."
http://perezhilton.com/2012-12-20-ke...n#.UNr92ndO5QU
Also, it's a shame that Vigilant Citizen never reasearched why all of the symbolism was in it, but be patient, I will cover it soon.
Vigilant Citizen:
Ke-dollarsign-ha has never been the most inspirational singer around. She started her career as an alcoholic party girl that's not too strict about personal hygiene (see the Tik Tok line "Before I leave brush ma teeth with a bottle of Jack") and, for her new album, she turned into some kind of Illuminati witch-type deal. She is far from the only pop star that has gone through this kind of metamorphosis and it was probably pre-planned by her record label. How many singers have gone from an "around-the-way" girl to an Illuminati figurehead? That's what the industry does.
Clock: There's a hole in this paragraph:
Vigilant Citizen: She is far from the only pop star that has gone through this kind of metamorphosis and it was probably pre-planned by her record label
Clock: the hypocrisy of this statement will be revealed right now:
Vigilant Citizen: How many singers have gone from an "around-the-way" girl to an Illuminati figurehead? That's what the industry does.
Clock: VC is now implying that it is something common when before they had said that it is something in common with most pop stars. Can VC actually prove the existance of this illuminati controlling pop music and imposing their "evilllll" message on kids? Fact is, they cannot. They can show you a bunch of symbols that don't mean anything though! That is their proof on the existance of this evil organization; they have lots of symbols of weird things. They cannot however show me a video of a meeting between Ke$ha and the illuminati heads planning her success on the radio nor can they show a paper of it, because quite frankly, it doesn't exist . You can show me a bunch of pictures of Rihanna and Ke$ha doing things all you want, but that's not going to pass on as proof.
Vigilant Citizen: on the untrained eye this kind of transformation is usually somewhat subtle ... Ke$ha's Die Young is anything but. In fact, it is one giant clusterfreak of Illuminati symbols. It is so obvious and in-your-face that it forced mainstream music sources such as Billboard.com to "admit" that the video was all about Illuminati symbols (see their article entitled Ke$ha Shouts-Out Illuminati in 'Die Young' Video). Interestingly enough, not too long ago, these same sites were calling sites like Vigilant Citizen "batshit crazy" for even alluding to the existence of these symbols and describing their meaning. Now these sites say "Yeah, there are Illuminati symbols" in a matter-of-fact way. What happened to the batshit crazy part? However, the mainstream sites still only refer to this concept in an extremely superficial way, not giving any insight on their true meaning and the real Agenda behind it all.
Clock: Lol, Bilboard.com is not admitting, it is stating a fact. Poor Vigilant Citizen, they do not realize that it is making fun of conspiracy theorists, who go batshit crazy when they see symbolism in Music Videos. Now, they were given an entire video full of them, and they went crazy. Also if a major music magazine is advertizing the fact that the video is full of it, it usually means it was done on purpose, and it is a clever advertizement scheme. (shock value =revenue). I am going to quote a quote I used from another thread on Metabunk:
"Ok everyone here goes. I have looked at this site repeatedly and found it to be totally ridiculous. It's very similar to the "Bible Code" hype. If you look hard enough at anything you can find something to try to justify your beliefs. This whole bit about the "Corporate Elite" hiding symbols in music and videos is completely laughable. It is now and always has been just for the shock value. You know, "doing something that your parents will hate". It has always been about having something that the "older generation" is shocked by and the kids will love it.There is no big conspiracy. It's purely for shock and advertising. Something to catch the eye and stand out above the rest. If this guy at VC really believed what he writes he wouldn't hide his true identity.
He says he has been in the music industry for years and sees all of the crap. Crap is what it is. I have been in the music industry for 45 years. It's all about advertising and publicity. Nothing more. No hidden meanings, no mind control, no Satanism. Most of the people that believe this crap are mind numb robots incapable of thinking for themselves. I'm not saying they are stupid because stupidity is something your are born with. They are although ignorant. Being ignorant is something that you do through conscious thought. Most of the people that believe what is on VC have been taught WHAT to think, not HOW to think.
It doesn't matter if the person behind the web site is Christian or not. He has an ulterior motive of some kind otherwise he wouldn't hide his identity.
One last thing I need to mention is the censorship of the site. I have used their VOTING BUTTONS only to find that if I return to the site later that my votes haven't been counted and if I write a reply to any of the postings and don't agree with what has been said by others the my replies mysteriously disappear. I guess he can't handle any opposition because he is afraid of the "Real Truth"."
If the entire thing was done on purpose, why is Vigilant Citizen bothering to cover it? I mean, that's what a shout-out usually means, it was done on purpose, and not meant to be taken seriously. If there is something the people at Vigilant Citizen lack, it's rationality and common sense. everything someone does is suspicious and they analyse the living hell out of it to come to their view (which is always right, by the way.)
Vigilant Citizen: Some might rationalize what is happening by saying: "Ke$ha did it for the LOLs and to make fun of the conspiracies". This is plausible, but this argument is now surfacing every time a video contains Illuminati symbolism. Are all videos now making fun of conspiracies? In reality, Ke$ha didn't do anything for any LOLs. She did not direct the video. She is just performing what she is told to perform, like most pop stars. The fact of the matter is: Illuminati symbols are becoming more prevalent because that was the plan all along: To gradually make them part of popular culture. The occult elite is revealing itself and the masses are dancing to their tunes.
Clock: You know what? This is not bad of an argument, good job on Vigilant Citizen. I will hand them that. However, there are mistakes in this paragraph that could not make this argument seem valid: Is there any proof that she is being controlled by anyone else? Can you show a quote, a picture, person, name or video of this going on? Also, If there is all of this craziness going on, why aren't there any whistle blowers? also, if they were so secret, why would they leave clues around? Truly, if something were secret, then they would not be leaving clues behind, and I'm pretty sure that websites like Vigilant Citizen would be taken down for "exposing".
Also, how are symbols becoming more and more prevalent? That is opinion. Usually, if you see one symbol, and you are being told to see more, your brain will likely start looking for these patterns of symbols, and you will therefore start seeing them everywhere.
If their plan was to make some of the symbols of the illuminati as part of pop culture, what in the world would they gain of that? Does that make them Illuminati worshipers? No, they are still mostly Catholic or devout to their own religion, just because the music video that teenagers are listening to contains some symbolism (if you search for them, you might just find them everywhere, and trust me, it's a really creepy experience) Does that make them Satan Worshipers? no.
They then begin to analyze some of the symbols. yaaaayy!
They use the eye of providence a lot, and this makes me very confused. If the illumnati, as VC puts it, is a group of people controlling the government and the music industry. They are said to be Satanic and evil and want to impose a eery plan of New World Order. The NWO on the Thrive Debunked website has been debunked to death already, so I will not even bother with it. Here's my question: If a group that believed in Satanic worship and are working against God and what everybody else thinks, why in the hell is their symbol (the eye of providence) representative of GOD? That makes absolutely no sense.
TO end this, I will use a little copy pasting from Rational Wiki:
"Easter eggs in the media
They also have a tendency to put hidden symbols and clues to their existence around the world, and on money, for no apparent reasons.[5]
Nearly every popular culture icon, including television shows, politicians music artists and any/every celebrity, are said to be somehow connected to the Illuminati in some way from something as normal as a triangle...
Probably the best example of this would be Tupac Shakur, whose last album was entitled "The Don Killuminati: The Seven Day Theory" lead to many theories.[6] Tupac actually chose the title to reference that the album was recorded and mixed in a relatively short period of seven days.The word killuminati (a portmanteau of the words kill and illuminati) that people ironically interpret as Pac saying that he is speaking out against them and killing illuminati. The truth being that he heard about them in prison and used the logic the majority of people lack that "If this organisation is so secret, how the fuck does everyone know about it?" Those aren't his words but it's what he meant, Tupac never believed in the Illuminati. [7] People also begin to distort the truth to form other theories. People have been saying Tupac faked his death and will be coming back since 2003. Every few years when they are obviously wrong people push back the guess a few years. This is mainly because a while before he died Tupac was planning on permanently changing his rap name to Makaveli after the 15/16th century writer Niccolò Machiavelli.
An equally good example would be rapper Jay-Z. He is supposedly very high in the Illuminati's hierarchy of celebrities. The hand gesture that he flashes has been cited as "proof" (in a very, very loose sense of the word) even though it's meant to represent the diamond of Roc-a-fella Records and is thrown up as frequently as the east or west hand signs. He is also accused of being famous for selling his soul and amongst other things. As with Tupac, theorists just turn to lies to prove their points. Quite a few people claimed that the name of his newborn daughter, Blue Ivy, backwards (Yvi Eulb) is Latin for Lucifer's daughter even though there is nothing to imply this. Jay Z has denied all these claims; his response to the conspiracy theorists can be heard in Rick Ross's song, "Free Mason."[8] I assure you when he dies no matter how simple the explanation for the death, someone somewhere will have "evidence" that the illuminati was involved.
It can be very difficult to find anyone who isn't actually connected with the Illuminati. All of the claimed affiliations involve an occult symbol in a music video or photo (usually the "all-seeing eye," the Star of David, or a Pentagram). This is most likely to get people talking and gain publicity. For example, if Rihanna has a newspaper cutout that says "Princess of the Illuminati" in a music video. Millions of people will go watch the video...
Michael Jackson is a very interesting case. One faction of the conspiracy community considers him a member of the Illuminati, employed to brainwash the public. Another faction, however, says that Michael was not a member, but actually was fighting to expose their control of the music industry and media. Michael was supposedly killed for this very reason. Either way the theorists have all the bases covered.
I hope you ennjoyed this debunking. I will next analyze the kesha tweet in which she says that she was forced to sing Die Young!
-Clock