Skeptic Project

Is there not some loud "reality beacon" sounding when your annual homicide rate (by guns alone) is greater than Italy, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, Canada, Finland, France, England, Wales, and Scotland combined overall homicide rate?

And by the way, this is per capita.

Western nation means of European (especially Western European) descent, thus having shared/similar values.

You keep telling yourself that, if it help you sleep at night.

Ah yes, a graphic with a very impressive array of dots.

did you join them to make a pretty picture? i got a butterfly

He said in the Artivist interview I posted, that of all Western nations it's got 30-300 times more violence than others - which is what the graph above demonstrates.

Whatever.

^WINGNUT!!!

Actually Brenton, that's not what it shows at all. It shows gun violence compared to other countries. Nothing more. Of course a country with extremely lax gun laws is going to be higher in rates of gun related violence than the countries listed in that very impressive array of dots because the other countries listed don't.

But it doesn't show base rates of violence among those countries and it doesn't come close to showing base rates of violence world wide. Your graph does not take into account machete related violence in South Africa, nor really any other type of violence at all.

Merola is misrepresenting what it shows, and so are you. You're probably not doing it on purpose, but you're doing it nonetheless.

I already explained how you're misrepresenting it.

The United States most likely has more gun related violence than the other countries listed in the graph. That's probably true. But it doesn't mean what you think it means.

You said:

"He said in the Artivist interview I posted, that of all Western nations it's got 30-300 times more violence than others - which is what the graph above demonstrates."

And I'm telling you that's not what this graph demonstrates. This graph demonstrates that the United States has more gun related violence than the other countries listed because the other countries listed do not have easy access to guns as a core cultural value.

Now, you can argue whether or not easy access to guns is a positive cultural value all you want. But you don't need to misrepresent dots to do it.

You confirmed that he was wrong about what he said, although I don't think you meant to.

I'm also extremely skeptical about your knowledge of math since you stated your film production class has too much of it.*

*It appears I misunderstood your point in another thread. You can disregard that. See, admitting error really isn't that bad.

Not to inject into this "A" "B" conversation but I looked at this graph for two seconds and I have to say it's a crook of shit.

@Beauty Killer

I have to say Beauty Killer you probably got that graph from a very bias antigun website somewhere and this probably isn't the first time you threw that very misleading graph on the internet.

I need to be able to see the information below the graph that explained more in depth what the graph is about, just because you say this graph is this and that doesn't mean it's so. People make mistakes to, unlike Dr. Peter Joseph Merola.

First thing I wonder that you nor the graph state as a disclaimer is to if this graph is proportionally based, meaning just because the U.S. has more people than Switzerland doesn't mean the U.S. will have more gun violence in relevance proportionality wise compared to Switzerland.

Second in your spare time look into how many people ever report violence in the U.S. or any countries. I understand this graph is global firearm deaths that you try to pass off as violent acts committed but just in general think about how many unreported VIOLENT cases go unreported in such places as Africa, Mexico etc... I think that will give you a better understanding of why I think this graph misrepresenting.

Also I have to ask my self the global firearms death research was conducted over what period of time? In general I would of like to of known how they conducted their research which isn't anywhere on their at all. It simply matter if they collected third party data and mashed it into their paper because then you may have Global firearms death of Australia from the 1950's (outdated) versus trying to compare that with global firearm updates of the U.S. from the 1960's.

You can't just simply put up a graph and expect people to believe you basically. I understand that's how Dr. Peter Joseph Merola rolls but that's not how I roll.

I'm inclined to agree with Bill.

This impressive array of dots isn't sourced. We have no idea where you got it from, but I suspect Bill's right and it came from an anti-gun group with an agenda to push.

I don't agree with most of the "gun nuts" reasons for wanting guns... they seem to think that they need a gun on them so they can stop crime like a super hero and stop government controlling the people or something. What a load of crap.