Skeptic Project

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=266657

They're talking mostly about the Anonymous YouTubers, but I LOL'd at a couple of statements.

Peter Joseph is unfortunately likely to discover, that his behavioural model can't completely account for the Internet; there are some people here who don't behave badly due to environmental stimulus, but a lot of the time, sadly, it's because they're just plain mentally ill.

I feel so warm and fuzzy inside when I know they're talking about us!

whats' important is to remember that these people actually think 911 was done by CAVE DWELLERS. their mad that we know who did it for real, and we have a SOLUTION.

Another example of 9/11 Twoof being alive and well in the Zeitgeist Movement.

it took me over 100 tries to pass the test, but it was worth it. if people want to talk on a free forum to discuss the FUTURE, they need to put the work in. pepole who make cheat sheets are probably the same people who have degrees and think they're smart.

100 tries??!??! This nimrod wants to post on the ZM forums so bad that he kept coming back after getting his ass handed to him 100 times by Merola's test? And that's even WITH the cheat sheet?

I wish we had smilies on this board, I'd post a little laughing face!

One guy about Nanos:

"the guy was a TROLL. why do you want TROLLS to be allowed here? the test is a good thing. in fact, i think we should have to have people donate money along with taking the test. that way we would have people who are legitymate members"

That's why group behavior scares the shit out of me.

TZM is pretty good at using basic Blair Warren strategies though, that amount of devotion is kinda impressive. I don't care if they do it intentionally or not.

Did it ever occur to Zeitgeisters that the reason so many people troll them is because they spend so much time invading other peoples' forums to spam their message? Or that the reason so many people troll them is because they screw up online polls by having Zeitgeisters spam the crap out of it with sockpuppet votes?

Probably not.

For example, look what they've done here:

http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=1085

Its pretty fucking obvious what they've done. No subtlety at all.

> so many people troll them

Trouble is, there are actually so few real trolls there, the vast majority of people labelled trolls are just above average intelligent folk, often with experience of the real world a bit more so than the average TZM member, and who have a tendancy to not play yesman games and voice their opinions.

I worst, I think I might have seen one single troll only on TVP/TZM turf in the last 5 years.

For example, look what they've done here:

http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=1085

Its pretty fucking obvious what they've done. No subtlety at all.

That is absolute bullshit.

What they've done on this poll, I mean, not your post. Internet polls are crap anyway, but this is just beyond retarded.

> http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=1085

I'm not sure they realise what can of worms they will be opening by suggesting this, as I'm pretty sure their idea's will be riped to pieces and they will just come off as lunatics.

Still, I suppose it might be a wake up call..

Though, it would be more useful if the one currently at number 5 got to number 1..

> Using geothermal energy for electrcal generation and ground source heat pumps
> for home and business space heating

Though this could easily apply to TVP as well, if they let it..

Its at least nice to see them making an effort, pity they didn't bother too much when I could have done with some votes for my solar vehicle on CNBC, but then, I don't imagine they think thats going to change the world like their plan is..

Mass spamming an online poll is not effort.

Groups of teenagers have been raiding on the Internet for years. Its their group beating another group.

This is nothing more than that.

Thats like someone accused of being a witch pointing the finger at the person who pointed to them in the first place and calling them witch back!

Being that I don't fiddle with voting systems, I wouldn't know :-)

As your more knowledgable about this aspect than I, I bow to your superiority.

I suppose it was a bit much to imagine that 5,000+ TZM members actually bothered to do something...

I seriously doubt were 5,000 individual Zeitgeisters who clicked on that site. They're not even close to that coordinated.

It's obviously fixed.

I think you could get 5,000+ if PJ bothered to email all 400,000+ on his mailing list and told them to do so.

In my time chatting to TZM folk as they came and went, I met at least several thousand who would be commited to do something, if only someone told them what..

So, did PJ send out an order to do something just beforehand ? (I doubt his radio address would have that effect as so few people listen to it nowdays..)

Talking of which, how come they appear to keep listener figures so they can shout about how more people are listening to it than ever before!

If there had been a massive campaign to get 5,000 people to spam an Internet poll, it seems that there would be at least one mention of such an effort on their forum.

Granted, I haven't looked, but this strikes me as a pretty low-level target even for Zeitgeisters. No, most likely it's one or a small group of people just hitting a button on their computer multiple times.

It seems again they did not read the terms:

http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?termsofuse

User Conduct and Rules of Netiquette

As a visitor/user of this site, you represent and warrant that you have reached the age of majority and possess the legal capacity to enter into this agreement, and that you have all necessary rights in and to the postings you submit.

kids arent old enough to vote.

You further warrant and represent that:
You will not post or link to any material that violates the rights of others, be they their privacy, publicity, intellectual property or proprietary rights;

Violating TVP's intellectual property and Jacques claims to his videos and shit

Submissions

This site contains an interactive component which enable visitors/users to post comments and information, hereinafter referred to as Submission(s).

You hereby grant TVO a royalty-free, perpetual, unrestricted, irrevocable and worldwide licence to use, copy, publicly perform or display, transmit or distribute, translate, adapt and create derivative works from any Submission(s) that you provide as well as the right to sublicense any or all such rights to third parties.

You waive all moral rights in your Submission(s) in favour of TVO, and acknowledge that there is no expectation of confidentiality vis-a-vis your Submission(s). As such, you consent to TVO's identifying you as the contributor of the Submission(s).

Jacqure Frescos work...copyrighted...giving it all away to TVO for free perpetual license forever.

Keep JAQing off broseph.

I'm curious to know if its really 5,000+ Ziters who managed to get out of bed, or just a few dozen folk.

Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but majority of opinion and what few facts exist, point more towards dozens than thousands.

We aren't arguing, we are debating :-)

Next your be calling me a troll :-)

Also, at least no one can say we are biased towards being anti-Z on everything, when in fact some of us do try and help them as much as possible.

Even, with the best of intentions they fail but to come across poorly, which is why I rarely mention them elsewhere, as they are so insignificant. (Its a tad amusing when I check over 2,000+ forums I'm in, archived for the last 20+ years, and TVP/TZM is mentioned in less than 1% of them.. (Most of them pretty negative...))