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The Burger KingPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:13
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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That's kind of funny anarchy was in RBOSE IRC when he implemented that junk and he had asked me in a polite manner if I could still go on his IRC, so I did again :D The only reason I do not go on their is because of the lack of people and the cult like mindset. At first Anarachy didn't believe me when I said I was on the TZm IRC room so I typed some stuff into TZm IRC then he got pissed off started adding in some more protection and yet again I connected he got quite annoyed and left after that as the kid is a complete and utter script kiddie. I kept on telling him if it's going to be public I'll always be able to go on same with all other mediums as well doing a password lock down is a good way to detract a lot of users including myself at that me and anarchy and agree upon by his previous forum statement :)

Anarchy was thinking he had the end all solution but of course that didn't work hence why they started doing passwords after that :D if it was working originally their would be no need for passwords anarchy I think you exposed your own incompetents bud ;) On that I haven't actively been on any TZM communication mediums since I was globally banned besides when I was summoned by anarchy and when mumble was sort of official TZM communication medium until it switched over to RBOSE

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MuertosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:14
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I don't think you're a troll, Nanos, I just think you're wrong.

It seems very evident to me that they spammed this poll. I just don't see how you avoid that conclusion.

If we had to give them "the benefit of the doubt," then wouldn't we be obligated to believe their crap like "the movies aren't the movement" and "Peter Joseph isn't the leader?" We've brought up numerous examples that indicate these statements are false. I don't have any problem calling bullshit on "the movies aren't the movement" because I believe my position is supportable. Consequently, I don't have any problem claiming that I think they spammed this poll, because that position is also supportable.

What am I doing wrong here?

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NanosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:16
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> It has no redeeming qualities

Agreed.

> especially when it is this appalling.

Oh I agree.

But we have to take into account outside views, who at first glance will think we are those bad trolls TVM claim we are, so with a little bit of counter balance, people can be more assured views here are fair and just, and accurate..

If I think they are only a few genes above the level of bafoons and I hate them the least compared with some, people might be assured that indeed, the rest of the views here are perfectly reasonable and not at all overly biased just because folk got banned.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:17
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"But we have to take into account outside views"

Yeah, we do that every single time we debunk their shit.

I truly don't give a fuck what Zeitgeisters think of this forum. That is the last thing on my mind when I post here. First and foremost on my mind is accuracy, I could give a shit about fairness.

This isn't about being fair. Its about being accurate.

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NanosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:19
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> I don't think you're a troll, Nanos, I just think you're wrong.

You may, or may not have noticed, its not uncommon for me to play devils advocate.

I can also be wrong too :-)

> What am I doing wrong here?

Nothing, I just want to make sure aren't too lynch mob without explaining to others the thinking behind our views.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:23
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A lynch mob would require active action, not passive analysis.

A lynch mob is the kind of thing Zeitgeisters do when they find someone badmouthing their movement on a blog or YouTube video. They flock to it and flood the target with rhetoric thus drowning out opposition.

So which is worse?

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NanosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:25
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> Yeah, we do that every single time we debunk their shit.

Thats good, but sometimes I notice there appears rather a lack of that and its more just mud slinging without any balance.

> I truly don't give a fuck what Zeitgeisters think of this forum.

I wasn't thinking of them, I was thinking of joe public who will want to review TZM site someplace else before determining if its worth spending their time on or not.

> This isn't about being fair. Its about being accurate.

I think its also about being convincing, otherwise how will the public know we are being accurate and not just being unfair.

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NanosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:26
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> A lynch mob would require active action, not passive analysis.

An internet forum isn't passive, as others will see it and be influenced by it.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:26
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The public? What are you talking about man this is a message board.

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NanosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:27
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> The public? What are you talking about man this is a message board.

That the public read..

That'll be the public part :-)

Thats folk that type TZM into a search engine to find out something about it and see it being talked here, read here, and decide whether to bother to go to the TZM site or not.

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MuertosPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:28
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I think its also about being convincing, otherwise how will the public know we are being accurate and not just being unfair.

I think it's extraordinarily unlikely that 5,000 individual Zeitgeisters came on to that site and clicked on the poll, especially considering the tiny fractions of votes that serious issues were getting.

If any Zeitgeister wants to come on this forum and dispute this hypothesis, and indicate why they think it's wrong, they're welcome to do so and I'll be the first to say I was wrong. They read this forum all the time, so it's not like they won't know about it.

"They spammed a poll." I believe that statement is accurate. If there's evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:30
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"That'll be the public part :-)"

I don't consider this to be anything more than an entertaining way to kill time.

Its kind of weird that you do.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jul 04, 2010 - 14:50
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"whats' important is to remember that these people actually think 911 was done by CAVE DWELLERS. their mad that we know who did it for real, and we have a SOLUTION. "

I never really realized how offensive this statement was.

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NanosPosted: Jul 05, 2010 - 02:02
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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=266657&limit=10&limitstart=20

I guess 'admin' never bother to read all my posts here...

> Nanos is too busy insulting The Movement & Peter on other sites now, so who cares.

Or they would notice my 'insult' level hasn't changed at all..

And that far from talking about them on sites, its A site, this one only..

And as far as being busy, a handful of threads at most about TZM is less than I spend talking about rubbish collection on other sites!

> If one actually cares about such a goal, they will find a way to be supportive
> and critical at the same time. It's called be respectful.

HELLO!, haven't you been paying attention admin, no obviously not... (Note: user admin can vary as I understand it, sometimes I get the impression it might be roxanne, othertimes it might be pj, then again it might be tanktop, as once tanktop was telling me off because someone using the 'admin' account had spent considerable time replying to one of my comments and was upset that I didn't appear happy with their answers..)

> Others come here to add their own subjective ideas insisting that we follow it.
> The latter would be fine IF there ideas have be scientifically proven to be
> beneficial, but so far none have met that criteria.

It can be awfully hard to convince people I've found, even using facts..

> Then they demand scientific evidence for RBE when 1) RBE involves global scale,
> thus still require people's recognition and access to resources to even get started
> on testing the RBE idea even at a small scale (like a virtual simulation).

I'm not really sure what this person is trying to say there, perhaps someone can help me out..

Are they saying we need more resources to even do something like a virtual simulation ?

As, from where I'm sitting, TZM has, A) The finanical resources to run such a simulation already, and B) the skilled people able to code it.

But, rather than do that, they waste their money on paying for 50+ websites being hosted all over the place, when they could cut their bill in half by making use of fewer.

They have (Or maybe that should be had..) skilled programmers who could have spent their time coding a MMORPG, rather than working on language translation modules, or the many other rather unproductive projects PJ thought was far more useful..

As I see it, its a management issue, and even if they had more people, they would still waste their efforts in being unproductive.

> 2) RBE is merely connecting the dots that are supposed to be connected.

How scientific :-)

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The Burger KingPosted: Jul 05, 2010 - 10:14
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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>>Anrachy said: It all died cause of the password. Unlike dns, i got the irc trolls under control WITHOUT the pass, yet tank/peter decided it still had to stay, had no pass been on, it would have been worthy of my time. Even a freind of mine, who has nothing what so ever/know nothing about this, who has knowledge of irc, aggreed with me, the way i had it done, it was fine without the password. The rest was way too much tbh. Well none the less.

Good luck. And as to what fusionhalo said, i left all the files and stuff i did there. If tank and peter want to talk to me, they can message me at ircadmin@thezeitgeistmovement.com (msn im), or via the ircadmin. If they wish to remove the use of the pass and make it known it wont happen unless trolls get crazy.

I personally didnt have no problem bypassing the pass, but i was an admin, and my mirc is up for 3-4 weeks at a time also. For those who log in daily it could be annoying.

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At any rate, they can message me. Good luck.<<

Maybe reverse psychology will trick tanktop into taking off the password. Tanktop if you take off the password I will tell Plautus Satire to spam the hell out of TZm irc, and THIS is why you cannot take off the password. Maybe this will help Anarchy out in getting the password taken off :D I have to admit with the other posts, the IRC was dying anyways and Anarchy is doing a lot of QQing, I found it humorous that he even mentions DNS, because DNS was pretty much anarchy's teacher in some respect although he taught anarchy minimal things which makes the script kiddie anarchy what he is today he was under DNS wings at one time and now all of a sudden he's the master because he says so, that's laughable...

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domokatoPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 12:30
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If an RBE can't be tested then it is unscientific. That doesn't somehow excuse an RBE from testing, and in fact, it represents a huge PROBLEM for the ideology. They don't seem to understand that. If it's too big to test it's unscientific!

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 12:32
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RBE ideology relies on special pleading to make it's case.

Therefore, it is not scientific.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 12:53
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>> If it's too big to test it's unscientific!

Similar large and impossible experiments, such as figuring out the age, size, or shape of the universe, you split into smaller experiments that must show conclusions that agree with each other. That'd all be well and good for RBE, except they can't seem to do anything smaller than changing the entire world, and refuse to do anything smaller. The idea of creating a single city for instance has been wholly rejected.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 13:00
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"The idea of creating a single city for instance has been wholly rejected."

I suspect Fresco and Merola have fostered this attitude deliberately, because it keeps people repeating the dogma and stops them from taking action on their own where Fresco and Merola cannot profit.

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oreolvrsPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 13:11
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yeah they could simply update a current green transition town like kinsale.Thats the problem I always had with TVP/TZM it always talked about updating present knowledge and what we had yet decided to vehemently reinvent the wheel for their cult.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 13:39
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The only way to defeat the monetary system is to buy Fresco's DVDs!

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MuertosPosted: Jul 14, 2010 - 17:40
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This discussion is dead, but I just wanted to point out that they did in fact spam that poll. Here's the message where they planned it:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=271003

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