Skeptic Project

lofi said: >>Is it so hard for you to fathom the idea that Jesus probably existed, but that he was just some guy who got turned in to a legend, and not the son of god/ticket to heaven? Does it have to be one way or the other? <<

Its ok these dupes will get it when their hero worshipping turns their favourite gurus into demigod characters.

"What about the gross number of miracles "documented" that lead people to become ignorant of physics and science? "

Ah yes like the neglect of credentialism and academia by Peter, Jacque and Roxanne.
And the claims of mental illness bandied about like candy to babies.
Their miracle city story is enough to believe without any statistical data, evidence or scientific research, it makes complete sense now you put it like that Kris.

Their miracle city story is enough to believe without any statistical data, evidence or scientific research, it makes complete sense now you put it like that Kris.

Yeah, right. Continue to perpetuate ignorance of technology and claim that you're right because of your ignorance.

It’s pretty obvious how technology can be implemented to create abundance of necessary goods. Large scale clean energy technologies, vertical farms, intelligent manufacturing, etc. Check out this video, it's all a compilation of corporate demo videos, of current technologies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2nxCp9Hwxs&feature=youtu.be&a

If you doubt the feasibility of the central resource database/decision making computer, the evidence of its feasibility can be found in the fields of computation and cybernetics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_neuroscience</p>

Think of the computer as an amalgam of the following current technologies, optimized, of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactile_sensor<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_software<br /> http://www.distributionsoftwarereview.com/<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer<br /> http://www.wolframalpha.com/</p>

I really don't know what your problem is, anticultist. Just continue to refuse to acknowledge the information. Never once has the Venus Project stated that they have all the designs necessary to do what needs to be done. It is a basic framework for applying science and technology to the redesign of society.

Nothing has to be finalized in Fresco's city designs, but they are logical. When, and if more professionals in scientific disciplines come together to work on the details, that's when you'll have more finalized details.

When asked about TZM, you responded with:

>>"Are there not social problems that exist in the world? Or are you guys deluded in thinking that everything in the world is absolutely fine? "

You responded with:

>>"Wow.

If you seriously think my attempts at pointing out factual inaccuracies means that I automatically deem you as loving the establishment and hating the Venus Project then your reasoning skills need a lot of improvement."

As so many Zeitgeister's believe, if you don't agree with the venus project then you think the world is perfect!

>>"Hahaha so funny you are! It's even funnier that you assume I won't detect your sarcasm!"

Well, it's worth noting that your detection of sarcasm is pretty terrible when you took Edward's reply without detecting any sarcasm and said:

>>"The only explanation is that her work is so dangerous to society? Sometimes I have a hard time believing what I read from you, and some of the people on here. Such ignorant assumptions."

Well, look at you go!

Also:

>>"There may only be a handful who actively post here, but this website has gotten a lot of attention."<<

Really? As has been pointed out, this site gets 1/20th of TZM's views and far less than the bigger skeptic sites. So are you sure it's not just a case of Peter GIVING us attention, and making dopes like you think we're receiving attention instead of us actually receiving any? PJ is nothing more than a drama queen.

>>"Growing food in your own back yard and playing with your kids helps starving populations how, exactly?

The point of a resource based economy is to provide for the Earth's entire human population.

In order for a resource based economy to be able to perform this function, it needs to be a global system. Therefore there needs to be a global Movement.

We don't tell people, hey stop playing with your kids! Hey, stop growing your own food! Don't maintain self-sustenance!

These actions have short-term benefits. The larger picture problems can only be solved with a global movement toward a resource based system. Otherwise there will always be scarcity. "

Posting on an internet forum helps starving populations how, exactly? When was the last time you did ANYTHING to help the world? When was the last time PJ did ANYTHING to help the world? TZM members literally do nothing but post on an internet forum while thinking they're saving the world, they always say something along the lines of "Well, if we go volunteer to feed the homeless or (some other charitable act), it's only a temporary fix... we're looking for a permanent solution." How long will this go on, how long will you guys go on not doing anything? Is it too much to ask to maybe organize a food drive WHILE posting on the forums? It's not like most of you guys have jobs anyways. Oh right, because that would require work! I'm just waiting for the responses from TZM when it inevitably collapses and you guys can no longer say "Well, we're just avoiding these patch fixes, we want a real solution", then you'll realize that you never did anything, to help anyone, at all. (You as a general 'you' in reference to TZM, but probably you too, Kris.)

>>"To suggest that we literally do nothing is just one of many incorrect and broad generalizes that so many of you perpetuate on this forum.

None of us have jobs? None of us do other things than post on forums?

Look. I've been trying to restrain myself as best as I can. But fuck you. Alright. If you don't realize that is a broad generalization that is totally unfair, fuck you.

Do you even realize what you're saying?

I can almost detect that your source of information for these claims and assertions have been entirely from anticultist. If not, I'll be a little surprised. Stop listening to that asshole and look into things for yourself! "

Uh oh, must have hit a nerve! I would say of all the regular posters on this forum, I've interacted the least with anticultist just because TZM stuff usually doesn't interest me and that's what he posts most about, and I've never even been to his blog (sorry!). My "source" for what I've said is my interaction with TZM members, either on this forum or reading the occasional thread over at your forum. What does TZM advocate other than "spreading the word"? If you can't see that for the delaying tactic that it is to keep the movement alive while not actually doing anything to help, then you're just a big ol' dummyhead (pardon my language).

So yes, a lot of people on this forum have suggested that your movement does literally nothing. So, prove us wrong? What do you guys do other than "spread the word". Hell, technically we're spreading the word right now! Look at me, what a fucking super hero I am.

Again with the generalizations.

We are super heroes for spreading the word?

That is a biased predetermined judgment. Totally unfair.

We never suggest that or any of these things.

What do I have to prove to you? That we haven't told anyone not to do anything else? That the Venus Project starts at declaring the resources of the Earth common heritage? In order for it to start we need mass awareness?

I think I have proven that, haven't I?

I told you to fuck off because you certainly did hit a nerve. You have such a biased inaccurate portrayal of the Movement it is not even funny. You insinuate that the majority of people (including me) don't have jobs or don't try to help people. That pisses me off, I'm sorry.

Kris: one way that you could show us you are actually doing something would be to put a lot of effort and work into a free/donation based bimonthly workshop about sustainable communal living, farming, and intelligent construction (you know, all that stuff most people don't do anymore). If you have the means one day, buy a property, farm that hell out of it in a smart way, then invite people to come check it out. Educate people on the zoning laws of their area if you want, show them what can be considered a living space by the state/locality (there are plenty of loopholes and workarounds regarding housing).

Build with cob, the hippies will love you for it. They will donate evil money toward your cause. Also, cob housing is awesome.

http://www.humboldt.edu/~ccat/alternativebuilding/cob/jeffreySP2005/oregon1995.jpg

I hate 90 degree angles, so I think cob is for me. It's every bit as "doable" as building a regular house, and you can get very creative with it. You can make such a dwelling VERY efficient.

This is all good stuff, and it is in line with your movement (it is, right?). This would be great because it would give TZM a different focus; regular people would be interested in it, and you wouldn't put people off by revealing to them that most people in your movement are truthers who don't believe Jesus ever existed. Trust me, telling someone that their god isn't real doesn't get you very far with them, try talking about it at the END of the workshop. Also, just scrap the 9/11 thing, it makes TZM look bad. You guys are into marketing, right? Yeah, then scrap it.

>> If you seriously think my attempts at pointing out factual inaccuracies means that I automatically deem you as loving the establishment and hating the Venus Project then your reasoning skills need a lot of improvement.

>> I have not stated those things directly.

No, you didn't, but not everything I have to say is about you, Kris. You have a serious persecution complex. See, I can diagnose people on the Internet without knowing anything about them other than their forum posts. Doesn't feel good does it?

My post was about the broad Zeitgeist Movement, but also about the centralized hardcore members.

>> Growing food in your own back yard and playing with your kids helps starving populations how, exactly?

Did you not see what I said about volunteering? The world isn't black and white, Kris. My volunteering still does more to help starving people than TZM/Peter Joseph do, as there's no plans that I know of to actually help anyone, just spread the word and eventually TZM will get around to helping everyone.

People are staving today not in the future, and there's no active program within TZM to actually help these people. If a member saw someone starving would they just say "I have some food, but it'll have to wait until the resource-based economy comes"?

I was also talking about how when you spend time with your children, you can help them become better people and they can also help others as well by volunteering. I also donate a lot of the food I grow and save resources by growing it myself. Sitting on an Internet forum all day and saying "I'll have time for you when the RBE comes" isn't likely to create great kids that are good to the world.

>> In order for a resource based economy to be able to perform this function, it needs to be a global system. Therefore there needs to be a global Movement.

That's not an excuse for me to do jackshit until the movement takes off.

>> I thought Edward was trying to make valid claims, not ones of sarcasm.

You should read the introduction on conspiracyscience.com/

>> This post is full of extremely broad generalizations.

Well, apparently, if anyone talks about certain people it's "defamation" so I guess it needs to stay broad.

>> In order for that to happen, a bulk majority of the people on the globe need to be aware of it, and understand it. That is why the main goal of the Movement is spreading awareness at this point.

You can still do things while you do that. Why do you think so many members get disenchanted and become inactive? People constantly ask on those forums "what's next?"

lofihigain's post is pretty dead on.

Here's my main concern: You're telling people you can make the world a better place, but refuse to actually demonstrate how you (the movement) plan to do that. If you can't show people you're more than just an Internet forum, then they won't care.

>> To suggest that we literally do nothing is just one of many incorrect and broad generalizes that so many of you perpetuate on this forum.

Most people on this forum don't give a shit about TZM and would rather talk about Alex Jones, but when anticultist showed up and then VTV showed up, everything got derailed. I don't give a shit about TZM, Zeitgeist, etc. anymore and I was perfectly fine with the Alex Jones, ATS, Jeff Rense, etc. discussions.

Growing food in your own back yard and playing with your kids helps starving populations how, exactly?

The point of a resource based economy is to provide for the Earth's entire human population.

In order for a resource based economy to be able to perform this function, it needs to be a global system. Therefore there needs to be a global Movement.

We don't tell people, hey stop playing with your kids! Hey, stop growing your own food! Don't maintain self-sustenance!

These actions have short-term benefits. The larger picture problems can only be solved with a global movement toward a resource based system. Otherwise there will always be scarcity.

I love it when they say this shit, as if spreading awareness and building up number ranks helps solve the worlds problems and feed the starving.
"In a world where 34,000 children die everyday why not join us and tell everyone about it ?"

Its time to stop with all the lip service eh Kris ?

http://conspiracyscience.com/blog_upload/2010/05/butthurt-form.jpg

hahaha

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=254048

I was the first caller to bring it up, several called afterward...but then it stopped because it was literally taking over the show,
........
it really threw him off his game to have caller after caller continue to bring it up. I really think we should start doing this in an organized fashion, not just with the infowars bunch, but with any popular talk show. Have all of us just relentlessly call in and make it a topic of discussion.

Taken from Brentons link...This is the typical thing that happens with ZM members.

They hear something that mentions them and suddenly they bombard it with their tripe, isnt that right Kris ?

I made a post on the internet and it got you emotional - I win!

hahahahahaha

cool have fun with that !

What is?

Oh, by the way- http://brentoneccles.com/