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Sil the ShillPosted: May 16, 2010 - 16:02
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To be fair, I don't believe any of Plautus Satire's "credentials".

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 16, 2010 - 16:11
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I updated my previous post:

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/topic-consp-sciencecom-a-case-study-in-intellectual-inhibition-s/page/6#post-7037</p>

To include the fact that I not only admitted being wrong, but I fixed it. Peter Joseph could learn a thing or two, after all he claims that we should "celebrate being wrong." It's fairly obvious he has yet to do any celebrating at all.

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MuertosPosted: May 16, 2010 - 18:25
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"Captain Ferseus," LOL. I guess I'm just the guy with the cartoon avatar who (according to the well-credentialed Plautus Satire) lives in a fantasy world. But obviously I'm mentally ill too.

Funny that none of them have addressed the specific rebuttal to Merola's "intellectual inhibition" argument, on the CS blog.

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anticultistPosted: May 17, 2010 - 16:13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSZSP3Lj-qE

just saw this on the anon TZM site hahaha, theyre paying attention guys whoever they are !

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 17, 2010 - 16:30
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That is fucking hilarious, I love it, the music and dancing ties it all together.

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MuertosPosted: May 17, 2010 - 17:14
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! That is fucking HILARIOUS! I love it!!!!

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SkyPosted: May 19, 2010 - 02:06
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To be fair, the difference between "some community college and some university" and "some community college" to Americans is very small. Both categories equate to very little in the eyes of most, especially when they have a problem with the person.

There isn't anything fair about quote mining someone. It wouldn't matter to me if Edward had a community college education only, I just wanted to show how some of Acharya S supporters are a bunch of nutters who make stuff about her critics and then ironically accuse them of slander and libel. Find any bad review of her books or Zeitgeist part 1 and you can see this kind of behavior. Like this one: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=136758

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 19, 2010 - 02:25
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Bring up Peter Joseph or Fresco's credentials and you'll get responses about "credentialism," and if you have the audacity to question them, especially Peter Joseph, the followers will be sure to question your own credentials. Yet another hypocritical move by TZM members.

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Sil the ShillPosted: May 19, 2010 - 14:12
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From that Jref thread, an interesting find by Tim Callahan on Acharya's blog:

"I googled "Acharya S, child abducted" to check on this incident. I didn't find anything. However on Acharya S's blogspot I found a long post by Acharya S, a screed against circumcision. Among other things, it contained this little gem:

>>"Over the past decade or so, I have met and communicated with two world-renowned "anti-circ" scientists, including pediatrician Dr. Paul Fleiss, who told me he had performed "thousands" of circumcisions before he saw the light, and neuropsychologist Dr. James Prescott, who has evidently proved that circumcision causes irreversible brain damage. The foreskin is, after all, not a "useless piece of skin" but a highly complex organ. What does circumcision do, exactly? Dr. Fleiss describes this "denuding of the penis"'

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EdPosted: May 19, 2010 - 14:41
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" neuropsychologist Dr. James Prescott, who has evidently proved that circumcision causes irreversible brain damage."

lol?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 19, 2010 - 19:57
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I wonder if Acharya S ever apologized for this:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000309090514/www.truthbeknown.com/aidslinks.htm</p>

Then again, I shouldn't point this out, because doing so means that I'm not only mentally ill, but also sexist according to TZM members.

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MuertosPosted: May 19, 2010 - 20:11
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Oh yes Edward, you're not only sexist but homophobic. Because, you know, you made Brenton's topic a sticky and he's gay, and I'm bisexual and dating a guy and you made me a blogger/admin. Boy, you sure hate us pole-smokers.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 19, 2010 - 20:21
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My oldest brother is one of them gays, and somehow I managed to be roommates with him in my mid-20s for a couple of years. I don't know how I made it, but slapping my girlfriend around and calling her "bitch" helped a lot, after all, I've done that to Acharya S apparently, so it must be true.

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BrentonPosted: May 19, 2010 - 22:00
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Calm down guys you're making me hot.

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CyborgJesusPosted: May 19, 2010 - 23:10
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That AIDS stuff is weird. Found a tape with Robbins and Chopra talking about positive thinking to cure HIV, they also mention Duesberg. Kinda lowered my opinion of the self-help scene.

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SkyPosted: Jun 03, 2010 - 14:39
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KrisPaterson/Ouroboros said:

Acharya S/D.M. Murdock has never cited H.P. Blavatsky as a source. I don't know where they got that from. According to some on Acharya's message boards, it was a rumour spread by Keith Truth, who ironically enough, claims that the Movement and Acharya herself are conspiring to usher in the New World Order, because of her/our relationship to Theosophy, which is just one of many incorrect claims.

Results for "Blavatsky" in The Christ Conspiracy by Acharya S:

http://books.google.com/books?id=KnIYRi3upbEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=acharya+s&cd=1#v=onepage&q=blavatsky%3A&f=false

In Suns of God:

http://books.google.com/books?id=rey19p_ycHUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=acharya+s&cd=2#v=onepage&q=blavatsky&f=false

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anticultistPosted: Jun 03, 2010 - 15:17
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oh dear sky... Kris has obviously not read Acharya very much, and to think that douchebag has spent the better half of numerous threads here and on my blog trying to Edumacate everyone about this stuff.

Poor Kris he is always getting rumbled.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 03, 2010 - 15:44
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Interesting thread on another forum:

http://personalitycafe.com/critical-thinking-philosophy/22893-zeitgeist-movement-free-your-mind.html</p>

The classic "read all this stuff, but TLDR for your stuff, and the movies and movement aren't the same thing."

Peter Joseph did the same thing, he used her and Alex Jones as sources, then claimed he never did and didn't know who they were.

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MuertosPosted: Jun 03, 2010 - 16:15
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I'm glad to see people consistently linking your debunking of Zeitgeist and our criticisms of the ZM whenever someone goes anywhere to proselytize their garbage. I also like to see Zeitgeisters thrashing around in frustration having to spin the shopworn "the movies aren't the movement" and "we have nothing to do with conspiracy theories" tropes. It merely underscores how much of a deficit this movement is starting from by being associated with Merola and his CTs.

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SkyPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 14:22
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After 9 pages of calling Edward insane, Peter Joseph finally gets around to actually criticizing some content from his article. I don't know enough about banking to comment.

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=251858&limit=10&limitstart=90

He seems really egotistical, like he keeps talking about Edward's lazy research. It's pretty obvious that this guy uses Wikiquotes and similar sites to do his research, that's why most of the quotes he uses are wrong, or attributed to someone who doesn't exist.

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 15:50
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Edward, what do you have to say to Merola's claim that your source had nothing to do with buying bonds directly from the treasury?

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EdPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 16:59
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I wish people would stop calling Edward "Ed". ;) I had already been accused being him on another of their threads lol.

I really hope PJ comes out with this Zeitgeist 1: Remix/directors cut thing he talked about, that would be a lot of fun to go through.

I also wish more of them would come here and debate rather than stay on their own forum where they know they can ban you if they don't like what you say.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 17:03
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PJ totally misrepresents what's in Modern Money Mechanics, and as is fairly obvious he simply says that all money is the same, when that's not true. I definitely could be wrong about the bonds thing, however. Saying that the different types of money/value are the same, is like saying the value of your car or house is the same as the value of the money in your wallet. They both represent value, but different types of value; the same goes with M0, M1, etc.

I'm not sure why my research is lazy, when the guy claiming it is also took Part II of his movie from Loose Change, Alex Jones, et al, and Part I is based almost completely on the work of a single person, just using some of her sources -- not to mention claiming that he never used Alex Jones are Blavatsky as a source, but that turned out to be a lie, probably because he didn't actually look at his sources, just copy/pasted them -- he can make the same claim about me if he likes, but he should know it's hypocritical, but that's not something Peter Joseph is at all unfamiliar with. Not only that, but his misrepresentation of facts like "Joseph was of 12 brothers and Jesus had 12 disciples, therefore 11 = 12." Even if I'm wrong, that doesn't matter to me, because the guy making corrections considers himself to be infallible and ignores the Bill O'Reillyesque style of how he creates documentaries, then tries to pin that on everyone else.

PJ hadn't said anything in nearly 2 weeks on that thread, I guess less people were viewing it, so he needed a reason to bump it back up. His attempt at dismissing me by calling me mentally ill didn't work out like he'd hoped, so he's finally talking about stuff on my site directly.

I can't believe Ben is still whining about me on other sites, it's so bizarre, he's like Mulder from X-Files, except not funny. Ben/Blastikus is fucking clown shoes. He's basically doing an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing with PJ. He may have debunked all my work, but nobody has ever seen it, especially not me -- probably because I don't consider ENDGAME or Acharya S to be sources.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 17:12
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Time after time, it amazes how TZM members still blind themselves to Peter's own statements about the movies being the main recruiting tool of their 'movement'.

>>"I said above. Zeitgeist has absolutely nothing to do with the Zeitgeist Movement. I can easily defend the movies, but it is truly irrelevant to a Resource Based Economy. "

Funny how so many people say, 'I can defend the movies', or 'I have rebuttals to your entire site' and yet, that's all they have to say on the matter. Where are these rebuttals? Where are these iron defenses?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 17:15
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ARRG THE MOVIES AREN'T THE MOVEMENT, ASMAMSRMARMSR!

Here, watch this $7 burnable DVD I bought from Peter Joseph about how every religion is just some sun god stuff, 9/11 was an inside job, and if we didn't have money being made out of thin air, we'd all be billionaires.

Just because I'm showing you the film, showing it at our local meeting, showing it on ZDay, telling you to show it to others to recruit them into the movement, the movies aren't the movement!

And even though the movies aren't the movement, our glorious and infallible leader Peter Joseph will defend the movies on the movement web site and podcast, except of course parts like 9/11 where he knows he'll push people away if he defends them publicly, so he'll stick to the more vague and complex stuff most people don't have time to look into. That's if he can't ban the person questioning him or get away with just saying they're mentally ill.

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Originally I dismissed those who said that TZM was a cult, but now the cult of personality around Peter Joseph that's emerging is really starting to disturb me. You can see the exact same thing with Bob Avakian in the Revolutionary Communist Party. There is a central hardcore membership who has an unquestioning devotion to the leader, and what he says is automatically true, even if it contradicts reality. You also have a situation where the leaders both want recognition for their sacrifices for their respective movements, even on that thread PJ mentions multiple times how much money he's spending, how much time he's spent, and how he *could be making $100,000 a year* but instead he's doing TZM. And he didn't seem to have a problem with people giving him false titles like "Doctor" or people calling him a hero on that thread as well.

The main difference between PJ and Avakian is that at least RCP goes out and does something, even though it's typically just protesting things and wasting time, and Avakian recognizes that all of the things he opposes within capitalism are a result of capitalism, where PJ seems to be hung up on Federal Reserve conspiracies from his Ron Paul days.

But honestly, both are really just masturbation, and will never accomplish anything, but that won't stop the hardcore members from constantly attacking those who oppose them.

On a side note, you can find some of Bob Avakians talks regarding the transition period from Proletarian Dictatorship into Communism, they're almost identical to Peter Joseph's transition talks on his podcast. Of course, I know there are differences between Marxism and The Venus Project, but when it comes to implenting things, TVP/TZM tends to resort to either vague promises (of things just working magically) or things that sound identical to Marxism except where they blame everything on scarcity. Not because they're Marxists, but rather because -- and this is my opinion -- the best way to answer a question without actually answering it, is to promise a vague situation where people will just do the right thing because it's a part of their ideology, even if this transition period has been exploited by every single attempt at it in the past.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 20:33
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I also wanted to add that arguing with Peter Joseph is really a waste of time. I don't mind making corrections (see the Ferseus thing), but arguing with a guy who calls you mentally ill for disagreeing with him, and charges you as being "intellectually inhibited" while using clever language to make people think 11 = 12... it's just stupid.

The only reason I reply to these forum posts he makes is because people ask me to, otherwise I wouldn't.

What does it say when he has to focus on a nobody like me and a shitty web site like this one to make his members stop questioning the problems in his movement?

When the Zeitgeist movement finally falls apart, or when it shrinks down to a few hardcore members, I have a feeling the focus of blame for the failure will not be on all of the problems discussed and this and other threads, but rather on outside forums, web sites, and people such as myself, Zeitgeist Challenge (who are also conspiracy theorists), and Alex Jones.

Peter Joseph is incapable of viewing himself as anything other than a hero sacrificing everything for others to change the world (see that thread on their forums, he never asks people not to consider him a hero after they repeated call him one.) He wants to call me mentally ill, alright, but I can play the pseudo-psychiatrist game also: he's a self important douche bag who views himself as a martyr, he needs constant reassurance and praise. Essentially he's just narcissistic as hell.

There's no reason for Peter Joseph to still defend Federal Reserve conspiracy theories, because as I've stated numerous times, it is a part of capitalism, something he opposes. It's because he once made the claims and he cannot be wrong, so he has to continue to promote them and pretend as if central banking actually makes any difference in his view of capitalism and its outcome.

Peter Joseph will likely never admit to being wrong, but it's likely he'll eventually try to save face and use something small to show that he is capable of recognizing failure in himself, but he likely won't do it directly -- meaning he won't say "I was wrong" but rather use more clever language. Though, now that I've mentioned it, it's certainly possible he will do this, just like he created a video "who is peter joseph?" in an attempt to save face a few days after it came out had done some stock trading.

So really, this is a waste of time. He's promising a rebirth in his movement after October this year when the new movie comes out, and that it will gain millions of members, but interest has already waned and despite his claims otherwise, his movement is equated with conspiracy theories and is immediate dismissed out of hand by most people.

All he can do is keep making a movie each year and getting a few thousand people to sign up for the mailing list and a few hundred of those to join the forums.

TZM will never come close to changing the world, and I'm not saying that because of Peter Joseph, but because of the history of the movement, because of how it's ran, because of the name and its association with conspiracy theories, it will fade away.

As I stated in the introduction to Zeitgeist: Addendum I was afraid of conspiracy theories destroying The Venus Project, and I was right, the Venus Project now is a joke. I would have loved to see a lot of the designs and ideas come to life, or at least tried some place, but that won't ever happen now. TZM has destroyed TVP both by name and action (lack there of) and TVP will have about as much impact as any art project -- what's the last world changing event that was centered around a Rembrandt?

Peter Joseph can talk about me all day long, and he will continue to talk about me from time to time to make sure his members aren't focused on criticizing him as the problem with the movement.

Even TZM had so much potential, with 30,000+ members on the forums it showed that at least some people were interested. They could have organized any event, program, etc. and helped thousands (if not more) of people, but they purposefully choose to do jack shit and promise that "one day we'll do something." I often bring this up and typically the response is "charity won't change the world." That's true, it won't fix everything and it doesn't last forever, but sitting on an internet forum, passing out videos, and telling people that you refuse to donate time and money to others... is that going to change the world?

But it's just not fun anymore to talk about TZM, it's sad, like picking on a retarded person.

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If Peter Joseph really gave a rats ass, he'd be out helping people, not arguing with an asshole like me from the safety of his own forum.

And before any of you TZM members decide to email me yet again to ask me "what are you doing?" I donate at least 10% of my monthly income to charity, I donate a lot of free time as well to helping others. I'm not changing the world, but I don't claim to be, but at least I'm getting off my fat ass and lifting a hand to help someone else, instead of whining on a forum about how MAN ONE DAY I'LL FIX EVERYTHING WITH MY JOOMLA DATABASE OF ALL THE EARTH'S RESOURCES!

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EricPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 21:54
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Here is some interesting information:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thezeitgeistmovement.com</p>

In the last 3 months traffic has declined 25%, which is a whole lot. This is also fairly funny and accurate:

Based on internet averages, thezeitgeistmovement.com is visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 18-24, have no children and browse this site from home.

That's the same as the conspiracy theory bracket.

Let's be fair and put Conspiracy Science to the same test: up 30% over the last 3 months.

Based on internet averages, conspiracyscience.com is visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 25-34, have no college education and browse this site from home.

Also funny, but keep in mind most of the visitors to the site are people who were promoting Zeitgeist, Alex Jones, or saw someone else promoting it to the same peer group. Overall, from what I've seen posted on the forums a lot of our members have a college education, I'd say roughly half, but most are in the 25 - 34 age group, but some of our most popular members are nearly 40 or older.

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 23:36
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Alexa doesn't list the number of users below the age of 18. It'd be funny to see them added to the graph.

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EricPosted: Jun 05, 2010 - 00:51
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After reading through the thread I came across this:

I'm going to stop there, for every other claim is equally as lazy by Edward.

If I had an Amero for every time a conspiracy theorist made this claim without providing an example, I would be on the capstone of the Illuminati pyramid. I think Edward is probably wrong about the bonds, because as I understand it, the Fed can buy them directly, but rarely does. This is likely just a mix up between "rare" and "never" on Edward's part; the source Edward provided seems to suggest this, rather than what Edward wrote. It goes without saying, Edward does make mistakes, but more importantly he corrects them; something Peter Joseph never does.

As mentioned by Edward above, he essentially applies standards of scholarship to others that he does not apply to himself. If Edward attempted to use language in such a way as to claim 11 is equal to 12 as Peter Joseph did, it's highly unlikely he would be praised and called a hero like Peter Joseph.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 05, 2010 - 02:31
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Yes, I was wrong about the bonds, I made the correction based on what Eric had cleared up. Keep in mind, that if I'm wrong that just like Peter Joseph said "sometimes you have to generalize to keep people's attention" so I'm immune from being criticized for being inaccurate. If it works for PJ, it works for me too.

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